From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:08:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <831ba60af0cbfdd95686@heytings.org> <87mtuxj8ue.fsf@gnus.org> <9088e12cb3169cdcdbc4@heytings.org> <9088e12cb3a70cbf66aa@heytings.org> <9088e12cb381e11e6d32@heytings.org> <9088e12cb36020430ea2@heytings.org> <271290d7aa5560786ded@heytings.org> <271290d7aa8a72cee4a3@heytings.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10595"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 22 22:09:49 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lORo4-0002gX-MM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 22:09:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52240 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lORo3-0002YT-N2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:09:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43814) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lORmg-0001EJ-Qn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:08:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40446) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lORmg-0001zr-4k; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:08:22 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lORmf-0000dE-BV; Mon, 22 Mar 2021 17:08:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <271290d7aa8a72cee4a3@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Mon, 22 Mar 2021 19:06:20 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266832 Archived-At: > I don't have the link at hand, but RMS had posted how to do exactly this > time of poll. I can try to locate it for you if you want. I would indeed be interested in seeing it. Attached is one way of polling users that was suggested. ===File ~/how-to-poll-users.text============================ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Dmitry Gutov Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, seb@k-7.ch, pcr910303@icloud.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <0ce06d95-0593-bc55-983f-6b6601503a1a@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 16:55:39 +0300) Subject: How to poll the users Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:14:05 -0400 [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Also note that we don't really have the ability to poll even our > existing users, We have done it many times. Here's the method I developed for polls in the past: * Make a file for the replies to go into. * Make a mailing address which drops all mail into the file. * Mail to info-gnu-emacs and help-gnu-emacs, and any other suitable place, presenting the proposed change in sufficient detail that people can judge it, and where to email the response, as well as what kind of information we seek. What we seek is not "votes", but understanding. If you are for the change, please explain why. Would it help you directly? If so, in what scenario, and what would the benefit be? And how important? Or is it that you think it will help Emacs development by helping others? Please distinguish between what you know and what you guess. Likewise, if you are against the change, please explain why. Would it inconvenience you directly? If so, in what scenario, and what would the inconvenience be? And how important? Or is it that you think it will harm Emacs development by inconveniencing others? We invite you also to propose changes in the proposal that would improve it, for you -- saying in what scenario, and how. * We state a deadline some weeks in the future, but since there is no hurry, we wait some extra time before we look at the responses. * Ultimately, we do not restrict ourselves to choosing between "make the change" and "don't make it". The best outcome is that the feedback enables us to design a way to please almost everyone. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) ============================================================