From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suggested experimental test Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:16:14 -0400 Message-ID: References: <831ba60af0cbfdd95686@heytings.org> <87mtuxj8ue.fsf@gnus.org> <9088e12cb3169cdcdbc4@heytings.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14761"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 21 19:18:47 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lO2f0-0003jh-UN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 19:18:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59476 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lO2ez-0006aI-Un for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:18:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47616) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lO2cZ-0005SA-H1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:16:15 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42973) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lO2cZ-0005qG-4Q; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:16:15 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lO2cY-0001Xl-P5; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 14:16:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9088e12cb3169cdcdbc4@heytings.org> (message from Gregory Heytings on Sun, 21 Mar 2021 13:20:54 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266717 Archived-At: > I think there was less negative feedback about C-o than about removing > M-o M-s and friends. Yet that was removed, and not even moved to > another binding -- indeed, rather calls for keeping at least some where > promptly ignored. Don't worry, they are not ignored, but it is not possible to do everything in one go. So is the plan to readd keybindings center-FOO? What about C-o -- that seems to be hitting the trash can, for whatever reason. Some of these bindings (C-o for example) have existed for 40 years in Emacs (M-o M-s was once upon a time on M-s). There was alot of thought put into it back then, and the intent was to make it easy to write code and text. That was the main intent of Emacs, and main design decisions in the bindings. These "freeing up keybindings" initiatives make it harder for people to use Emacs, not easier.