From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Confused by y-or-n-p Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 02:53:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: <834kkcr1eo.fsf@gnu.org> <43b24209-fa65-0e26-7cbd-f99175a7ffd8@gmx.at> <87wnx7j5is.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83im8qnyca.fsf@gnu.org> <83bleinmse.fsf@gnu.org> <56435592-d2d0-5fb6-977f-01e1931da835@gmx.at> <87k0t38g1z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83czyvkts6.fsf@gnu.org> <87bleetirr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87y2hhri3n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83pn2tkfg8.fsf@gnu.org> <871rf7ippu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83a6trg6mc.fsf@gnu.org> <87im8f951f.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfdacapo.fsf@gnu.org> <831rf0d9uq.fsf@gnu.org> <83ft3e2j0i.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37981"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, juri@linkov.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jan 07 08:55:58 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxQ9G-0009lc-DY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 08:55:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54866 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxQ9F-000089-E8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 02:55:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59340) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxQ6a-0004XJ-Je for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 02:53:12 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51400) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxQ6Z-0002aS-RY; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 02:53:11 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kxQ6X-0005MN-EB; Thu, 07 Jan 2021 02:53:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83ft3e2j0i.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 06 Jan 2021 17:16:13 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262656 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > You CAN start a discussion on emacs-devel, but in order to be aware > > there is a need for one, you would need to subscribe to bug-gnu-emacs > > AND follow discussion of dealing with a particular bug. > There's no need to subscribe to bug-gnu-emacs in order to read it. > One can follow the list archives via the Web browser, for example, or > use the debbugs Web interface. We are miscommunicating. You're talking about a technical question about how one reads those messages. I am talking about the time and work required to read all those messages -- which is why I don't read them. I can't afford that. > The rule you propose has a price that I don't think we should pay. I > personally simply cannot afford paying it. Reading the bug list is > not a big deal, In my incoming for 20 hours, there were 70 messages to bug-gnu-emacs and debbugs. I can't keep up. I am about to go to bed and I am 200 messages backlogged from today alone. When people are discussing fixing a bug that is just a technical issue, and they can do it fine without me, I delete the whole thread so I can have time to read my other mail. Based on what you've said, I'm sure you understand what this is like. so people who want to be more involved are invited to > do that. By contrast, the burden on Lars and myself to make sure we > start a discussion about every change which might require it is > considerable. I agree. I don't think that you, the maintainers, should have to do this. I don't think I suggested that. But we have seen so many subtopics I can't remember them all with confidence. Anyway, let's agree that you maintainers shouldn't have a burden from this. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)