From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Confused by y-or-n-p Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:01:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: <834kkcr1eo.fsf@gnu.org> <43b24209-fa65-0e26-7cbd-f99175a7ffd8@gmx.at> <87wnx7j5is.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83im8qnyca.fsf@gnu.org> <83bleinmse.fsf@gnu.org> <56435592-d2d0-5fb6-977f-01e1931da835@gmx.at> <87k0t38g1z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83czyvkts6.fsf@gnu.org> <87bleetirr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87y2hhri3n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83pn2tkfg8.fsf@gnu.org> <871rf7ippu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83a6trg6mc.fsf@gnu.org> <87im8f951f.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfdacapo.fsf@gnu.org> <831rf0d9uq.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24783"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, larsi@gnus.org, juri@linkov.net, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 06 06:02:48 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kx0y8-0006Iy-KU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 06:02:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38286 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kx0y7-0000Uk-LY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:02:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56978) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kx0wd-0007T6-7v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:01:15 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52574) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kx0wZ-0003u3-At; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:01:12 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kx0wX-0001hs-JY; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:01:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <831rf0d9uq.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 04 Jan 2021 17:01:49 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262563 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > It may be "valid" in principle, but it is no a wise choice for changes > > in the Emacs command interface. If we want to be confident that users > > will notice plans for changes, and say if they object, before the > > change is in a release, we are obliged to help users notice. > Users don't track emacs-devel, either. In fact, most users nowadays > don't like to use mailing lists at all. You are right that most users don't pay attention to the work we are doing while we are doing it. They will not comment on it. Thus we have been talking, all along, about the users that do pay attention, and might comment on proposed changes. The words you quoted above refer to them, too. > So I don't see how forcing > discussions to happen on emacs-devel will reach the goal of helping > users notice important changes and object in time. It will give help all the users who follow emacs-devel to take note of a proposed change. That is what we presume will happen, but it isn't happening reliably. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)