From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Recentish C-s M-y change Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 10:42:41 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87r1na4tyu.fsf@gnus.org> <87tus6tj7s.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a6txigm1.fsf@gnus.org> <874kk5lzew.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87eej8ifll.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87h7o3k5b5.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83v9cigiaa.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21360"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, juri@linkov.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 31 16:43:34 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kv06v-0005T2-Tj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:43:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49298 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kv06u-0002vv-SI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 10:43:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57196) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kv06R-0002WN-1A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 10:43:03 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51288) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kv06Q-0006K4-Bn; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 10:43:02 -0500 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kv065-0004mD-6v; Thu, 31 Dec 2020 10:42:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83v9cigiaa.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:30:05 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262170 Archived-At: > From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" > Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 05:44:38 -0500 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@linkov.net > > why are these things changed without doing some rudimentary query of > users? It is unreasonable to expect us to conduct a user survey before every behavior change. It would make an impossible obstacle to any such development in Emacs. But that is not what I asked for. Just recently two changes at least (y-or-n-p and C-s M-y) have caused grief because one didn't query even the smallest sample say in emacs-devel and discuss it for a bit before making the change. We also don't have any practical way of asking a large sample of typical users and getting answers quickly. Thats a good thing, people act to fast these days and hurry through changes.