From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Recentish C-s M-y change Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 01:01:20 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87r1na4tyu.fsf@gnus.org> <87tus6tj7s.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12442"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 29 07:03:06 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ku866-000387-1P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 07:03:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38342 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ku865-0000EQ-36 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 01:03:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49322) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ku84W-0007fj-04 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 01:01:28 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53593) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ku84V-00009I-9H; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 01:01:27 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ku84O-0005bf-6Y; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 01:01:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87tus6tj7s.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Mon, 28 Dec 2020 10:45:31 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262049 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Could we move the new `C-s M-y' functionality somewhere else and retain > > the old `C-s M-y' binding? > This has been discussed many times, and the most promising solution is > to add a single variable that will define whether the user prohibits > changing the definitions of traditional keys. I think that is a bad approach, and here is why. Various changes are made in the Emacs user interface. Occasionally there is one I find inconvenient and want to avoid. But not all of them. Probably not most of them. I want options to undo the changes I don't like, but I don't want that to imply rejecting _all_ changes in a blanket way. Now, if there are people who would like the ability to say, "Give me the Emacs 26 user interface," I don't object to offering it. We could have a mechanism to associate user interface changes with major versions and then let users choose a version. But this is not a substitute for letting people disable specific changes independently -- those changes which need it. Some changes are easy to revert by setting a key binding, and they don't need an option. We could pay attention to implementing a change, when possible, in a way that would make it easy to revert by setting a key binding or an option. In other words, think in advance about the possibility that some people may not like the change. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)