From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:26:46 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <877dpjp30g.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87zh2fnmwq.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87v9d3nkxk.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35037"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dimech@gmx.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 23 05:29:05 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1krvlp-00090M-Gi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 05:29:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47736 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krvlo-0005ra-GL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:29:04 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50558) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krvjd-0003S2-99 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:26:49 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42403) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krvjc-0004mP-IU; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:26:48 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1krvja-0003ql-A0; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:26:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: (emacs-devel@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261561 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Shitty data obtained without care, attention, and skill is useless data. > > Forget the weighting! > > > As the saying goes: "Criticism is easy, and art is difficult." Could you > please create and conduct a "good" survey, according to your criteria of > "good"? Or at least enlighten us, poor mortals, and explain what should > have been done, and how? Please, everyone, let's discuss this without getting angry at each other. That is very important! We have to _work together_ to use the answers. The survey does not have a reprepresentative sample, but that doesn't mean it is useless. I wouldn't attach significance to its precise numbers, but even the rough quantities have something to teach us. For instance, we know that lots of users don't want the toolbars, but a substantial fraction do not turn them off. If we want more precise figures, I've suggested how to get them. But I contend that we can come up with approaches that will to a good job for the various kinds of users we know exist, without needing to know the precise size of each kind. We need to be clever and try lots of options. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)