From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:21:01 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <877dpjp30g.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87zh2fnmwq.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87v9d3nkxk.fsf@gnus.org> <83k0t9rfj5.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6222"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ghe@sdf.org, eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 23 05:22:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1krvfB-0001V1-9i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2020 05:22:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33468 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krvfA-0008FT-BV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:22:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48540) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krve5-0007kN-UA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:21:06 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42121) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krve3-0001iB-UU; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:21:04 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1krve1-0002Um-Up; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 23:21:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Arthur Miller on Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:52:48 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261556 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > There is need to tell Emacs: "I wish a buffer of this pixel > width and height". LibreOffice doesn't ask that question, and it lets you start editing text and knows what size to use by default for the page. I suggest looking at what it does. One interesting question is how to make text flow between pages. In Emacs, a page boundary is a ^L character (formfeed). To make text flow between pages would require deleting and inserting ^L characters as needed. Is that workable? (I remember when ^L made the line printer skip to the next page.) > For example deleteion would delete > a character but insert a filler-character, insertion would insert a > character but delete a filler-character and so on. I don't follow that. Could you give a concrete example and say what these fillers would do, what benefit would result. I think they would be a pain in the neck for all the editing commands. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)