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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: elpa.git and `new-master`
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 00:54:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1kpmF7-0005EH-BN@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bletzxjv.fsf@fastmail.fm> (message from Joost Kremers on Wed,  16 Dec 2020 13:29:28 +0100)

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  > The problem is that words not only have meanings but also connotations. And
  > whether you like it or not, the word 'master' evokes the word 'slave' and
  > everything associated with it.

If you mean that as a general statement, I think it is incorrect.
It appears to be true for some people, that they will think of
that spurious association, but I think most programmers will not.

Everyone has particular associations, which will usually be spurious
to the issue at hand.  That's part of being human.  For some people,
'master' in git evokes "slavery".  For some people, the number 13
evokes "unlucky".  For many people, the number 4 evokes "death".

In our work, those associations are usually spurious.  Version 13 will
not actually be unlucky, version 4 will not actually be deadly, and
the 'master' branch of a program will not be associated with actual
oppression (if the program is free).  But there will be people who
press us to avoid 13, 4 and 'master' just so they will not be reminded
of the associations.

We have to respond that that is not our problem.  We do not undertake
to declare a word taboo because it would evoke unpleasant thoughts in
your mind.  Being reminded of unpleasant memories is unavoidable in
life, and you must not pressure people to contort themselves to spare
you some of those reminders.

We must not agree to treat words that might evoke bad things as if
they _were_ the bad things.

As for the question of what to call the trunk of the repo for
NonGNU ELPA, I don't have an opinion about that.


-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)





  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-17  5:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-16  6:47 elpa.git and `new-master` Boruch Baum
2020-12-16  7:38 ` Jean Louis
2020-12-16  8:24   ` Andreas Schwab
2020-12-16  9:31     ` Jean Louis
2020-12-16  9:59       ` Andreas Schwab
2020-12-16  8:49   ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-12-16  9:34     ` Jean Louis
2020-12-16  9:01   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-16 12:29   ` Joost Kremers
2020-12-16 13:48     ` Jean Louis
2020-12-16 14:26     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-16 20:08     ` Stephen Leake
2020-12-17  3:58     ` Tim Landscheidt
2020-12-17  5:54     ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2020-12-17  8:25       ` Joost Kremers
2020-12-17 16:22       ` Stephen Leake
2020-12-18  5:48         ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-16 17:03   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-12-16  9:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-16 10:19   ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-12-16 14:15     ` Boruch Baum
2020-12-16 13:48   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-16 13:53     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-16 14:43       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-12-16 15:24         ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-12-16 15:37         ` Jean Louis
2020-12-16 17:54         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-16 16:23       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-16 16:16   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-12-16 18:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-16 18:46       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-12-16 19:03         ` Boruch Baum
2020-12-16 19:06           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-16 19:21             ` Boruch Baum
2020-12-16 19:55               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-16 19:22             ` Andreas Schwab
2020-12-16 19:56               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-16 20:06                 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-12-16 20:12                 ` Boruch Baum
2020-12-16 20:19                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-16 21:16                     ` Boruch Baum
2020-12-16 21:38                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-16 20:38                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-16 20:46         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-16 20:53           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-12-16 21:09           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-12-16 21:34             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-17  0:11           ` Caio Henrique
2020-12-17  3:37           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-17  8:15             ` Joost Kremers
2020-12-17  8:39               ` Tim Cross
2020-12-17 15:14             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-16 20:41       ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-16 21:24         ` Boruch Baum
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-12-15  4:46 Stefan Monnier
2020-12-15 16:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-15 16:53   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-15 18:24     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-15 19:02       ` Stephen Leake
2020-12-15 19:16         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-15 21:09       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-12-15 21:33       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-16 15:36         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-12-15 18:57 ` Stephen Leake
2020-12-15 21:35   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-12-16  5:43   ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-16  8:33   ` Tim Cross
2020-12-17  5:55     ` Richard Stallman
2020-12-16  9:00   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-12-15 19:03 ` Stephen Leake
2020-12-15 21:43 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2020-12-15 22:34   ` Stefan Monnier

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