From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:09:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201011120840.GC2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011125031.GC6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201012050418.GZ2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201016130235.06218dae@argon> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32059"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: mve1@runbox.com, bugs@gnu.support, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 06:10:50 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kU01w-0008AX-PV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 06:10:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46826 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU01v-0006Jn-Qq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:10:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53866) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU014-0005Q5-1T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:09:54 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37984) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kU012-00071C-N4; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:09:53 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kU011-0008Lt-RV; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 00:09:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Thibaut Verron on Fri, 16 Oct 2020 08:52:49 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257987 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > As I understand it, Melpa packages cannot *be* or *install* non-free > software. But some will not work without such software, which can in > theory encourage users to install it. Yes, that's exactly the issue. Listing a program for possible use can lead people to use it. If using that program requires running some nonfree program, the listing can lead people to run that nonfree program. > ELPA means Emacs Lisp Package Archive, so both Melpa and GNU Elpa are ELPA's. > I think that commonly referring to GNU Elpa as simply Elpa (which I am > also guilty of) is a bigger source of confusion than Melpa and GNU > Elpa sharing the same suffix. I agree. I sent another message about that issue. I think that the basic mistake was implementing support in GNU Emacs for other package archives. It may have seemed like the general thing to do, at the time; but it led to a bad situation. If I had thought more about this, maybe I would have realized it beforehand. > GNU Elpa and the future Non-GNU Elpa are (will be) activated by > default as package archives, Melpa is not. > The hope is that once 99% of the packages by the community are > available in an archive activated by default, users will not rush to > install Melpa in the same proportions as today. Yes, that's the aim. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)