From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 00:22:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201011120840.GC2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201011125031.GC6784@odonien.localdomain> <20201012050418.GZ2923@protected.rcdrun.com> <20201013052736.GE31408@protected.rcdrun.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31717"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: bugs@gnu.support, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: thibaut.verron@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 17 06:25:56 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kTdn2-0008B4-3T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 06:25:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48568 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTdn1-0001Wg-3Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 00:25:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42216) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTdju-0005G8-Pi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 00:22:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49560) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kTdju-0003XU-Bt; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 00:22:42 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kTdjt-0007tT-Gt; Sat, 17 Oct 2020 00:22:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Thibaut Verron on Fri, 16 Oct 2020 09:05:31 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257897 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I believe that it is too late for such hopes, and that a majority of > Emacs users know about Melpa and/or uses it. You may be right, but it is hard to tell. We don't know what fraction of Emacs users are even aware that there is such a thing as "packages". The survey that is now being done will not tell us, because it will be publicized in certain forums so it will reflect the subset of users that use those forums -- not a representative sample of all users. I woudl expoect that there is another population of users which has no contact with those forums or startup kits. So you might be right, but we don't know if that is actually so. It makes a difference. If we KNEW that almost all users of Emacs did know about Melpa, that would change our policy towards it. But it would be an own-goal to assume, erroneously that they already know and as a result end up being the ones to tell them. Can you change emacswiki to state the two things that are bad about Melpa? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)