From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for an Emacs User Survey Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 22:04:12 -0400 Message-ID: References: <30addebe-999b-c1cc-a8d8-27aba3fac566@gmx.com> <4a1188f8-9864-54c0-ae6f-5f32102d9757@gmx.com> <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18756"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: abrochard@gmx.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Vasilij Schneidermann Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 12 04:05:04 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRnCy-0004mN-4V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 04:05:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38094 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRnCv-0000ut-Dl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 22:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44832) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRnCA-0008AJ-Ce for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 22:04:14 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33604) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRnC9-0003Vk-OY; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 22:04:13 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kRnC8-0000F0-BD; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 22:04:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20201011073553.GA6784@odonien.localdomain> (message from Vasilij Schneidermann on Sun, 11 Oct 2020 09:35:53 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257431 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Not mentioning MELPA as an option because you feel uncomfortable about > it will distort survey results, especially for the part where you ask > what package archives people use. That is ok. This is not a research project. The reason we are interested in a survey's results is to make practical decisions about policies that we could possibly change. We do not mention places to get software if they lead people to nonfree software. See the GNU Coding Standards, node References. Our stance about MELPA is determined directly by this principle. Unless MELPA's policies change, our stance about it cannot change. We can do no other. > Remember, this is a > survey to find out how Emacs users use their editor, not about how much > they adhere to FSF ideology. Nobody would disagree with that point, but that abstract question is not where the disagreement is. We need to inform people that there is a grave moral flaw in MELPA, and we can't do that if we ask questions about it just the same as we do about other repositories. What we might do is ask Which of these exclusively libre Lisp package archives do you use with a list of those, then Do you use any Lisp package archives not in that list? and people could answer MELPA if they wish. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)