From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again. Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 10:46:41 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87o8ls1vvq.fsf@posteo.net> <20200926145302.sjrwjrguf5ialc25@Ergus> <3201a9fe-de19-d553-0be1-d379f182fd47@yandex.ru> <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8640"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, jamtlu@gmail.com, eduardoochs@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 01 16:53:56 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kNzy0-0002B4-4E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 16:53:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44516 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNzxz-0003Md-2H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 10:53:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42588) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNzr4-0003pM-Bi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 10:46:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55650) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kNzr3-0002rG-9z; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 10:46:45 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kNzqz-0005Yy-GZ; Thu, 01 Oct 2020 10:46:42 -0400 In-reply-to: <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 01 Oct 2020 16:07:27 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256854 Archived-At: > > https://hewgill.com/dict/ > > Unfortunately, it is a "site", meaning a server you have to contact > over the internet. > > The tendency to involve other people's computers in doing jobs that > you could do on your own computer is a fundamental wrong turning in > computing practice. 'dict' is an example of this problem. > > We need to lead people away from that paradigm, not adapt our > activities to fit into it. I understand the general issue with using services, but in this case the server just sends the description of a word taken from a dictionary. I think the specific problem in this case is that this specific site is doing some type of conversion between the Wikitionary format to something dict clients understand. To quote part of the initial message: > This site seems to offer a gateway between Wiktionary and DICT > clients: But to put the blame on dict as the problem seems strange; it isn't causing this and it is no different than finger, bug trackers, or even just a plain wget.