From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:22:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4be18b5f-dc07-2703-a2de-1ed08916ebdf@gmail.com> <20200921170740.GA3551@protected.rcdrun.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4196"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: nicola.manca85@gmail.com, bugs@gnu.support, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 22 08:23:09 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kKbhl-0000ym-52 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 08:23:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49810 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKbhk-0003o2-8R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:23:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52374) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKbhG-0003Os-2J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:22:38 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43685) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kKbhF-0008Vn-Ms; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:22:37 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kKbhE-0006DH-2x; Tue, 22 Sep 2020 02:22:36 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:40:13 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256313 Archived-At: > > Welcome! > > This is the first time you run Emacs, please choose how to proceed: > > > > [] Go Vanilla! > > (standard defaults, no customizations) > > > > [] Start Configuration Wizard > > (set-up your .emacs configuration file interactively) > > > > [] Try Emacs in enhanced-mode > > (run with a predefined configuration showing emacs potential) > > > > After this screen, the normal Emacs splash screen could me > > presented. > No please. > I would not like that be included in Emacs. I am installing so many > times Emacs, I need no installation wizards, I understand that you have no need for this -- but why do you object to it? It would only require you to type a couple of characters. In the above example, you need to get through _two_ screens, one is to quit the "configuration screen", and then you need to quit the splash screen before you can use emacs. It is unfriendly to the user to demand them to spend time, even the slightest, to configure Emacs before they can use it -- today there is a nice balance. If the "configuration screen" would be part of the splash screen which I have suggested, or behave as the splash screen (i.e., you can simply switch buffers or press q or similar to get to the *scratch* buffer) then this wouldn't be a problem.