From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt)
To: Andrea Corallo <akrl@sdf.org>
Cc: nicola.manca85@gmail.com, stefankangas@gmail.com,
thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:04:51 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1kJk2N-0002wF-0s@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xjfk0wpo95c.fsf@sdf.org> (message from Andrea Corallo on Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:31:59 +0000)
> What is lost exactly? You have the _exact_ same information, plus
> some (that of a on-click setup). Having a special new-user dialog
> would be a loss in information since it would hide the splash screen
> which provides valuable information for new and old users alike.
>
> If users don't read the normal splash screen, there is no reason to
> expect them to look at another "setup screen".
I suspect they probably don't read it because there is too much
information already, adding more would just make it worst.
If the few paragraphs on the splash screen are deemed "too much
information" then why would they read any other page?!
Lets not assume that users are that lazy ...
> I claim that opening Emacs on new accounts with no .emacs will be
> infrequent for most users.
>
> Just today I accessed four different machines where I had never logged
> in (mainly for development stuff, where the machines run different
> operating systems, often new VMs setup for whatever). Sometimes it is
> accessing the machine as root, sometimes it is as my self.
Which _exact_ part of the spash screen have you used in this process?
Visit new file and Open Home Directory.
How this proposed menu would have made harder your job today?
We are talking about the splash screen, not a menu. The suggestion
(as I understood it) was to replace the splash screen with a wizard if
and only if there was no .emacs (or similar). Then do magic to
somehow keep track if a user had "picked" a provided configuration
(vanilla, different, or configuration wizard) of Emacs. Only then,
would you get the current splash screen when you start emacs.
That is a strange behaviour, and very much annoying one to keep track
of.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-09-19 21:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-17 8:50 A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Nicola Manca
2020-09-17 9:04 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 9:27 ` Nicola Manca
2020-09-17 12:24 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 12:35 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 13:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:26 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 13:31 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:34 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 14:27 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-18 16:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-18 18:25 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-18 18:59 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-18 19:23 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 8:37 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 9:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 11:25 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-19 15:09 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 19:31 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 19:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-19 21:37 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 6:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-20 7:45 ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 8:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20 8:25 ` Ergus
2020-09-21 17:19 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 12:59 ` Ergus
2020-09-22 14:11 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 17:50 ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-22 18:08 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-09-22 19:12 ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-19 21:04 ` Alfred M. Szmidt [this message]
2020-09-19 21:26 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 6:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 8:30 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 15:50 ` Philip K.
2020-09-20 3:53 ` 황병희
2020-09-17 13:38 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 12:40 ` Nicholas Savage
2020-09-17 13:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:28 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 19:40 ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-09-17 9:07 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-17 9:32 ` Nicola Manca
2020-09-17 9:44 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-21 20:00 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-22 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 20:50 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-22 21:54 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-23 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-23 14:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-25 13:22 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 13:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-25 14:43 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 15:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-26 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-29 17:08 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-29 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 20:40 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-01 12:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:13 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-01 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-01 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 17:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-02 16:10 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-02 3:51 ` Classifying packages Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 3:38 ` A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 20:57 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-23 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-25 12:40 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 15:22 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-26 4:33 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-26 14:29 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-27 2:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-27 19:49 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-28 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-28 4:50 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-28 22:03 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 2:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29 2:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-29 4:16 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 5:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29 5:45 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29 15:21 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20 13:07 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 15:32 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-27 4:32 ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-27 7:50 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 7:19 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-29 7:55 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 8:23 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-29 8:27 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 15:07 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 18:36 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-30 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 19:50 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-01 7:27 ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-01 13:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:10 ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-01 12:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:19 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-02 3:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 6:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:13 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:05 ` dictionary.el could be included in main stream Emacs - " Jean Louis
2020-10-02 11:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04 17:36 ` Torsten Hilbrich
2020-10-01 18:47 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-28 22:05 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-21 17:07 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 3:40 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 6:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-23 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 6:24 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 14:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 14:22 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 14:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 14:52 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 15:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 16:03 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 16:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-23 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 15:44 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-23 3:41 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-23 14:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
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