From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:24:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4be18b5f-dc07-2703-a2de-1ed08916ebdf@gmail.com> <3774c435-60d6-a958-77d1-a831599c85c5@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34832"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nicola Manca Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 17 14:27:01 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIt09-0008vw-8Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:27:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59942 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIt08-0002wo-4Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:27:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35292) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIsxb-000177-Bu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:24:23 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35079) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIsxb-0003Vo-1D; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:24:23 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kIsxa-0004XK-Hh; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:24:22 -0400 In-reply-to: <3774c435-60d6-a958-77d1-a831599c85c5@gmail.com> (message from Nicola Manca on Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:27:39 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255979 Archived-At: > It shouldn't be super intrusive if there is no .emacs, since it is > quite common to fire up Emacs without a .emacs. I think we should find a compromise here. If an experienced user stats emacs without a .emacs present, he/she may disable this somehow (maybe with --no-splash ?) I think that would be annoying -- if I log in on a new machine that I've never used, I'm sure I wont remeber passing any special switches to Emacs to start it. Why not just have it on the splash screen if there is no .emacs; and if there is a .emacs remove that blurb. We could add one or two lines along the lines of M-x recover-session: If an Emacs session crashed recently, type M-x recover-session RET to recover the files you were editing. E.g., (actual wording left for someone else) if there is no .emacs, we show: You do not have a personal Emacs configuration file, you can go [Vanilla], start the [configuration wizard], or try Emacs with a different theme [different-theme-mode]. And if there is, we skip it. And have some means of getting to the wizard from the menu-bar, maybe even a way of selecting a list of themes there too.. This wouldn't change how Emacs behaves, but still allow new or experienced users to fiddle.