From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A modern-mode? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:45:27 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87v9ge3tet.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83sgbh7py4.fsf@gnu.org> <874knxsqc6.fsf@gnus.org> <83imcd7mi9.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7rx7lgy.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6432"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: self@gkayaalp.com, eliz@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Andrea Corallo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 18:51:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIaeq-0001YS-KK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 18:51:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34026 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIaep-0007uK-L8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:51:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59280) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIaYr-0001Fj-Fy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:45:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44763) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIaYr-0003zW-5f; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:45:37 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kIaYh-00021Y-1R; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 12:45:27 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Andrea Corallo on Wed, 16 Sep 2020 16:17:03 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255914 Archived-At: > The usual way of solving this is to turn it on in your .emacs. > > Why does it have to be a command-line option (that isn't --eval)? I imagine myself in the condition of giving a suggestion to a colleague for trying out Emacs. It's very easy to suggest like '-m'. IMO it is already considerably more complex to start explaining --eval... or the .emacs equivalent. And I'm thinking to a colleague, if I think to someone less computer skilled it's even worst. Yes I know may sounds strange I believe this is a first barrier. Most users would just click on an icon to start emacs, I doubt that they would fire up a terminal and then do emacs --help and find a -m option. It would be either that, or guidance from someone to suggest to use -m -- then one might as well teach them plain Emacs which isn't hard.