From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A modern-mode? Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:18:21 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87v9ge3tet.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83sgbh7py4.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27588"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: self@gkayaalp.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 16 17:19:17 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIZDJ-00073S-G8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:19:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50236 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIZDI-0002Vr-Hv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:19:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59400) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIZCT-0001hn-NQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:18:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42766) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIZCQ-0005L3-OW; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:18:22 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kIZCP-0001vF-3c; Wed, 16 Sep 2020 11:18:21 -0400 In-reply-to: <83sgbh7py4.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:32:03 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255891 Archived-At: > Names mean things and in this discussion it was because Emacs was seen > as old (i.e., un-modern), a new user would be curious why modern-mode > isn't the default. And as the discussion has showed, there is no > agreement what people think is modern. So it would be simply better > to avoid the term "modern" completely. Yes, let's find a different name for this. I'd object to calling it "modern", because I disagree that vanilla Emacs isn't. A more specific name also means that not everything has to be added to such a theme/mode -- as it has a specific goal to solve. E.g., making it easier for new users to use Emacs -- which is slightly different from "modernizing" Emacs (similar sentiment to Eli there) which Andrea(?) seemed want to address. newcomer-friendly-mode? new-to-emacs-mode? numacs-mode? ersatz-mode?