From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 02:54:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20200909165723.kdnwicwvplmezusr@Ergus> <20200910102000.2t6tsju745xutg7u@Ergus> <20200910110832.ko66gqnqo4l664d6@Ergus> <20200911134225.zhnlq7cdhmu2iraj@Ergus> <20200911221435.go7b5kz2zcvxp2ft@Ergus> <20200912153723.ymnq3i5pugqf7lsy@Ergus> <87r1r6j488.fsf@gmail.com> <87o8maj1kh.fsf@gmail.com> <87imcii5u7.fsf@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28066"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ghe@sdf.org, spacibba@aol.com, casouri@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: TEC Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 15 08:55:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kI4sH-0007DP-FE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 08:55:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58120 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kI4sG-0006Vi-Gr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 02:55:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59136) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kI4rS-0005bA-3g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 02:54:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39607) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kI4rR-0000F8-6J; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 02:54:41 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kI4rQ-0006pt-R0; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 02:54:41 -0400 In-reply-to: <87imcii5u7.fsf@gmail.com> (message from TEC on Sun, 13 Sep 2020 13:49:36 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255710 Archived-At: Alfred M. Szmidt writes: > Thank you, but I am not entierly sure what I am looking at -- the > Emacs you are showing is not from 1985. What does the percentage > mean? Ah yes, a bit remiss of me not to state the format for my lablings: Editor --- Year of initial release (Stackoverflow 2019 survey, editor popularity) Screenshot of editor with default theme (trying for current) Why is the initial release important? > All of those look similar to me, other than black/light background > when it comes to color selection. There is I think very little > commonality between the edtiors in general in what they show. There are indeed many commonalities. However there are a few that Emacs doesn't share --- namely: dark default, bluey tones, line numbers, and a status bar that matches the background (in terms of background colour). Hmm, and also iconography on the status bar. You are getting quite concrete -- you say "bluey tones" and how colors match each other. What does bluey tones mean? Do you have a suggestin how the mode-line could match the background better? Dark vs. light default is not interesting, since I would assume that the light theme would also have a "modern" appeal for users. > * Basic editor theme comparison > > Emacs doeesn't seem to be listed? No, as I took your question to be "what are other editors doing?". Is this correct? My question was what color and possibly font (to keep the list of things small) differences exist between emacs and what some consider modern coloring. I hope that helps, Thank you, it does. p.s. for another weighting, I could also ask some friends (Under-25, non-Emacsers) to rank these sample screenshots by aesthetic appeal. Just a thought. I do not think such a metric would be useful, since it is so subjective and very generic. What would be useful is them pointing out exactly what they think is "ugly" or "outdated" for a lack of term.