From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 23:57:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87sgbsb0eb.fsf@gmail.com> <20200909165723.kdnwicwvplmezusr@Ergus> <20200910102000.2t6tsju745xutg7u@Ergus> <20200910110832.ko66gqnqo4l664d6@Ergus> <20200911134225.zhnlq7cdhmu2iraj@Ergus> <20200911221435.go7b5kz2zcvxp2ft@Ergus> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4592"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, ghe@sdf.org, tecosaur@gmail.com To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 13 05:58:17 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kHJ9d-000146-5V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 05:58:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53522 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHJ9c-0004Nv-6C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 23:58:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48184) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHJ8v-0003Cg-L5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 23:57:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50975) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHJ8u-0008A0-Mc; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 23:57:32 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kHJ8q-0005dl-6o; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 23:57:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20200911221435.go7b5kz2zcvxp2ft@Ergus> (message from Ergus on Sat, 12 Sep 2020 00:14:35 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255426 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > 2) Modeline: Our modeline is a kind of relic from other times. With the > same gray color in the terminal and some cryptic information. It also > shows the line but not the column by default and the file status is > somehow in that cryptic initial part I don't think many users understand > very well. Changing this is easy. The hard part is deciding what to change it to. > Just adding an * to the filename in modeline (and or tab when using > them) or changing the color is easier to understand. Than -UUU:----F1 Sorry, I can't parse that. > You can see all the popular alternatives around. Sorry, I am lost. Who can see what, when? > 3) Colors: People prefer higher contrast in general 4 example: in my > system when the region es enabled the default gray color is so light > that I can't see it. Same applies to icon that when enabled or disabled > the difference sometimes is minimal. It is easy to change these colors. The hard part is determining precisely what change to make, and deciding what change to make. > 4) Right click: (Probably it is the most lacking functionality and > surprising for any user not using the terminal.) Right click is expected > to bring a panel with the most common operations. It is useful, fast > and somehow standard since 1995 while removing most of the needs of the > toolbar which takes precious vertical space. We can easily add more right-click menus. What we need is a set of concrete proposals for what to add, in which modes or on what text. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)