From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:21:38 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87y2lkb6kb.fsf@gmail.com> <9A4FA038-CCFD-45DF-8B57-E348AFF951D9@gmail.com> <87sgbsb0eb.fsf@gmail.com> <87h7s6c31d.fsf@gmail.com> <87mu1xrjqw.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <48ed4897-356c-4669-a330-1fdb5d65402b@default> <83lfhhijbl.fsf@gnu.org> <871rj9uz12.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <875z8k4wv8.fsf@posteo.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="642"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ghe@sdf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Philip K." Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 12 05:22:33 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw7T-000Ac2-Sr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 05:22:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57252 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw7S-0006cD-Tz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:22:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59350) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw6d-0005KL-QF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:21:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54666) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw6d-00015k-HD; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:21:39 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw6c-0006YA-Co; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:21:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: <875z8k4wv8.fsf@posteo.net> (philipk@posteo.net) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255257 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I think that this is the case, most programmes seem to use the > "Hamburger Menu"[0] instead of a transitional top-menu. The people who say "menus are not modern" are failing to clearly analyze what are complaining about -- or else their message has been garbled in transmission to us. They do not dislike menus. They dislike one particular way of displaying menus. I have seen programs with hamburger buttons. If you don't want to use the menus very often, that interface is ok. Now that we understand what they meant, maybe we can give them what they want. Can we implement Emacs menus through the hamburger systems of various toolkits? Run them through the meatgrinder, shall we say? ;-} -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)