From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:21:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87y2lkb6kb.fsf@gmail.com> <9A4FA038-CCFD-45DF-8B57-E348AFF951D9@gmail.com> <87sgbsb0eb.fsf@gmail.com> <87h7s6c31d.fsf@gmail.com> <87een96fpw.fsf@elephly.net> <87sgbo3oga.fsf@elephly.net> <87wo10j17p.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4585"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rekado@elephly.net, ghe@sdf.org, casouri@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: TEC Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 12 05:23:36 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw8W-00014u-7t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 12 Sep 2020 05:23:36 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34562 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw8V-0000Qp-9n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:23:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59330) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw6b-0005H2-VK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:21:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54664) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw6b-00015T-IW; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:21:37 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGw6a-0006Xq-D7; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:21:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87wo10j17p.fsf@gmail.com> (message from TEC on Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:07:22 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255259 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I think there are essentially three categories of changes we'd likely > want in trying to make Emacs less off-putting: > 1. Look - theme, splash screen, etc. How about if you to discuss with some interested people which specific changes to propose? > 2. Feel - completion, linting, etc. I think that turning some of these things on by default would not annoy old users who don't want them. We would only need to disable them once. As long as disabling them is easy and straightforward, that is. > 3. Defaults - changes to functionality already present, e.g. setting > utf8 at the default text encoding Some of these might be good for everyone. For those that aren't, I think it would be enough to provide a function to call to switch to the old defaults. > * Some potential avenues to investigate: > The most promising idea I've heard is to come up with a clean, and > elegant way to allow for users to easily select from/combine different > Emacs experiences. > Profiles are a nice idea I think. They sound good for easily selecting > from a selection of 'presets', but perhaps aren't so good when it comes > when use cases blur (as they often do) and one wants to combine > functionality. Maybe -- but first how about trying the simpler approach described above, and seeing how far it can go? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)