From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:15:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87y2lkb6kb.fsf@gmail.com> <9A4FA038-CCFD-45DF-8B57-E348AFF951D9@gmail.com> <87sgbsb0eb.fsf@gmail.com> <20200909165723.kdnwicwvplmezusr@Ergus> <20200910102000.2t6tsju745xutg7u@Ergus> <20200910110832.ko66gqnqo4l664d6@Ergus> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3685"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ghe@sdf.org, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, tecosaur@gmail.com To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 15:16:39 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGius-0000qq-Rk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:16:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50458 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGiur-0006mt-SF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:16:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46896) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGitx-0005wq-JX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:15:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37682) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGitx-0007DH-3W; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:15:41 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGitw-00052w-CI; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:15:40 -0400 In-reply-to: <20200910110832.ko66gqnqo4l664d6@Ergus> (message from Ergus on Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:08:32 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255165 Archived-At: > > Actually spacemacs made it to look a bit more modern by just changing > > some colors. > > > >What kind of changes to colors was that? It would be good to quantify > >what "modern" means. > > In general this is very subjective. But looking at WinXP vs Win10 one > gets more or less where the style feeling is moving to. Specially the > colors and the default fonts in the interfaces make a big difference; > but also the whole integration. > >Could you list those changes? 1) The "included" themes (not only the default one) are a bit more "attractive" and similar to the ones in VSCode, Sublime or Android Studio: https://themegallery.robdor.com/ That lists several hundreds of themes. Can you summarize _what_ changes where done to make Emacs look more modern? A list of maybe 3-5 things would give a good idea. For example, one concrete change is to replace a warning face that is bright yellow with a dark yellow. 2) In the windows side they just made the whole colors a bit more "coherent" with the internal themes, What does that mean? What changes did they (who is they?) do exactly? 2.1) the menu-bar is usually more "compact" with a smaller and bold font (OR hided OR enabled xterm-mouse-mode because otherwise the toolbar is pretty much useless as F10 is intercepted by most of the terminal emulators or desktop environments). 2.2) In the case where they keep the tool-bar the icons are smaller and more "attractive". Lets say sometimes independent of the theme, but in general smaller. How are the more attractive? The list you provided doesn't show a single tool-bar. 3) Finally they fully redesigned the mode-line. I don't like all the changes they did because they require many extra external packages that increase too much the loading time and I prefer to load my emacs in less than 1 sec. But form the aestetic point of view it is an important change. In what way have the "fully redesigned the mode-line"? The link you provided has no mode-lines. Please be specific, give examples -- "it is more attractive" without explicilty saying what "it" is makes for a long discussion.