From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:16:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87y2lkb6kb.fsf@gmail.com> <9A4FA038-CCFD-45DF-8B57-E348AFF951D9@gmail.com> <87sgbsb0eb.fsf@gmail.com> <87h7s6c31d.fsf@gmail.com> <87een96fpw.fsf@elephly.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26167"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ghe@sdf.org, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, tecosaur@gmail.com To: Ricardo Wurmus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 06:17:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGaUg-0006gm-FM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 06:17:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42688 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGaUf-0004Vw-EV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:17:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39682) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGaU0-0003YY-6N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:16:20 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46547) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGaTz-0001aU-Lg; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:16:19 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGaTx-0004iW-Kc; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 00:16:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87een96fpw.fsf@elephly.net> (message from Ricardo Wurmus on Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:20:11 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255080 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > At that point their initial enthusiasm has all but disappeared and they > glance over to their colleagues who use Rstudio or Atom (in 2017) or > that proprietary editor Sublime. Everything seems so easy and > approachable and just as extensible. They see their colleague use Git > from within Rstudio and wonder if they’d ever get to that point if they > will first have to configure Emacs to do all the basic things first. The tone of that text seems harsh -- it feels like venting hostility. Would you like to make some constructive suggestions? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)