From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A new user perspective about "Changes for emacs 28" Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 22:40:10 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1ca462fa-0f9e-3c18-6386-f43f49388b2f@gmail.com> <20200907180812.5tfylspp7i6vl4o3@Ergus> <94fda087-a61b-356d-4bb4-791907593246@yandex.ru> <24302cf8-5ac8-4abd-83ce-3e33c51a8beb@default> <83k0x4mjsv.fsf@gnu.org> <831rjcmgn8.fsf@gnu.org> <20200909083521.fftcvhi6ec26a5wa@Ergus> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11282"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, nicola.manca85@gmail.com, ams@gnu.org, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 10 04:40:53 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGCW4-0002nn-OB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 04:40:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52072 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGCW3-0000sn-Mg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 22:40:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39792) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGCVT-0000GL-20 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 22:40:15 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48950) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGCVR-0004dY-VO; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 22:40:13 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGCVO-0007qe-EN; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 22:40:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20200909083521.fftcvhi6ec26a5wa@Ergus> (message from Ergus on Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:35:21 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254943 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > 1) the lack of interaction of core emacs developers with the communities > outside (github independent package developers, reddit, telegram groups) > It happens to me once that I knew about an error in a feature I > implemented because someone talk about it in a Telegram group about > emacs in Spanish. They didn't report the issue because they didn't know > how to do so (they were looking on github/issues as usual) but also > because they didn't know enough english. If people are blocked by a language barrier, I doubt we could do anything effective to help them, so we may as well not worry about it much. However, if there are people who could report it if only they knew how, that is something we could help with. We could write a short invitation to report bugs, which gives briefly the info and points at the Emacs Manual's explanation, and we could send that to every forum where it would reach some interested people. It could say which methods of communication we don't use, and why. As for Spanish speakers, there are probably some Emacs developers that could read bug reports in Spanish. Should we write, in Spanish, a brief guide for sending bug reports to us in Spanish? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)