From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Discoverability (was: Changes for 28) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 22:34:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="30948"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tom Gillespie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Sep 10 04:35:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGCR9-0007tS-Jq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2020 04:35:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37568 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGCR8-00032i-JD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 22:35:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38332) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGCQN-0001tW-UY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 22:34:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48782) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGCQN-0002xL-Lc; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 22:34:59 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGCQM-0006xn-9u; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 22:34:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Tom Gillespie on Tue, 8 Sep 2020 16:17:29 -0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254938 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Since Emacs is for all intents and purposes an operating system in the > same sense that the Linux kernel is an operating system, Emacs is not an operating system, and Linux (the kernel) is also not an operating system. Each of them is just part of an operating system. You could say that both _fail_ to be an operating system in the same sense. See https://gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html and https://gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html, plus the history in https://gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html. If there is a sense in which Emacs IS an operating system, I don't know what it is. If there is a sense in which Linux IS an operating system, I don't know what it is. Ultimately, we can't determine whether the statement is valid. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)