From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 23:46:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87y2lkb6kb.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11787"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ghe@sdf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: TEC Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 09 05:47:39 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFr58-0002vj-L2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2020 05:47:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57442 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFr57-0004OR-KW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 23:47:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41578) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFr4V-00038K-PL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 23:46:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54487) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFr4V-0005Jb-FF; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 23:46:59 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFr4K-0005QL-Ev; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 23:46:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87y2lkb6kb.fsf@gmail.com> (message from TEC on Wed, 09 Sep 2020 00:02:12 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254839 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > IMO the most significant factor is that Doom allowed me to "just get > started" with the tasks which caused my lingering interest to manifest > into installing. While now I couldn't imagine going without Emacs, that > initial ease was crucial. That describes how it felt, subjectively, to you. That's a consequence of some concrete things about DOOM, I am sure -- but I have no idea what those concrete things _are_. Can you describe even a few of the concrete differences of DOOM that made it so easy for you? I suggest not aiming for completeness, but rather mentioning the ones that are most important. That would be the information we might perhaps draw concrete lessons from. > IMO the most significant factor is that Doom allowed me to "just get > started" with the tasks Could you describe a few of those tasks, and what would have been hard about them, which DOOM made easier? I'm also curious about how why you decided to change from DOOM to standard Emacs? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)