From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:57:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87wo15adtj.fsf@rabkins.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23258"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yoni Rabkin Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 08 04:58:54 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTqQ-0005w4-Ku for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2020 04:58:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47762 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTqP-0005W6-Me for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:58:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39678) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTpB-0004IF-4m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:57:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59308) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTpA-0007W1-GB; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:57:36 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFTp8-0002OP-UL; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 22:57:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87wo15adtj.fsf@rabkins.net> (message from Yoni Rabkin on Mon, 07 Sep 2020 09:58:32 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254692 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > If you don't want these features yourself and nobody else in the project > wants them either, the only way I can think of making a compelling > argument for people to develop those feature is to ask real people and > get real responses. I am fairly confident that if you had a testimony or > user-test from actual people stating that a feature is missing, then > people here would help develop that feature. I agree. Before we put time into developing a feature, we should verify that many people would like it. Speaking of which, it would be useful to sit down with a new user just trying Emacs and see what perse actually complains about or requests. If several people do this, it could give us useful ideas of what changes would actually make Emacs more appealing to new users. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)