From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making GNUS continue to work with Gmail Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:38:08 -0400 Message-ID: References: <878sf9c69y.fsf@gnus.org> <871rkw62t3.fsf@gnus.org> <87bljki71n.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87364wxlec.fsf@gnus.org> <87imdsgmlw.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <871rkfhkhc.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <875z9p5hnc.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <87364pbkn0.fsf@gnus.org> <87lfihe0zf.fsf@mat.ucm.es> <874kp55l8t.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24554"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 21 05:38:53 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k8xtF-0006Hz-AK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 21 Aug 2020 05:38:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56850 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k8xtE-0004EC-Cw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:38:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37002) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k8xsX-0003ie-Je for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:38:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52956) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k8xsX-0005Bn-Ah for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:38:09 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1k8xsW-0005FB-Em; Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:38:08 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Gregory Heytings on Tue, 18 Aug 2020 09:15:12 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254070 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Well, this is what happened for Kmail, Thunderbird and others. The person > who applies to have an app approved by Google becomes legally responsible > of the use of the OAuth credentials received at the end of the process. > In the case of an app that is used by many people around the world, this > should be a legal person, not an individual. I don't follow that. "Should" stands for a moral imperative, but I don't see where the imperative would come from here. Perhaps you're basing the conclusion on reasons I don't know about. > Yes, if they agree to take the legal responsibility of the use of these > credentials, and if they pay if Google wants to have the code of the > program reviewed by security experts. I am completely lost here. What legal responsibility is involved? I've asked for someone to please tell me, in brief terms, the concrete reqwuirements for issuing an app key to something like GNUS, but I have not seen a reply stating them. People have sent me URLs pointing at what I suspect are long texts, some of which might answer this question. The obvious way for me to find out those answers is to go read those. Obvious, but not feasible. I am totally overloaded, and (unusually) I even have deadlines. I can't do that the inefficient way. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)