From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some ideas with Emacs Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:25:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d0dbszjn.fsf@mbork.pl> <8736e4titj.fsf@mbork.pl> <871rtoti9w.fsf@mbork.pl> <87v9qysxbb.fsf@mbork.pl> <87tv6hq62w.fsf@mbork.pl> <87h7wmi7pj.fsf@mbork.pl> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="107283"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: van@scratch.space, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 03 06:26:30 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jgKz0-000Ror-Nb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 06:26:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36676 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jgKyz-0003oX-Pg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:26:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48028) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jgKxx-0002tV-Ak for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:25:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33914) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jgKxv-0007Is-V0; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:25:23 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jgKxq-0000Kf-Pm; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:25:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87h7wmi7pj.fsf@mbork.pl> (message from Marcin Borkowski on Mon, 11 May 2020 21:37:28 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251787 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Please forgive me for taking so long to respond. I am backlogged 500 messages I have not yet seen. I just saw your message today. I wrote: > > Turning to the broader ethical issue, I think that _all_ textbooks, > > indeed all educational resources, ought to be free -- because they > > exist to be _used_ for a practical job: f teaching or learning a > > subject. You wrote: > Quite the contrary - I would be suspicious about free educational > resources. > Why is that so? Because if someone provides me with information (be it > of educational nature or otherwise), and I do not pay for it, this means > that it is quite probable that someone else paid for it. And the goals > of the "someone else" may be very different from my ones. I believe we are miscommunicating. When I say "free" it refers to freedom -- "wolne" in Polish. I believe you are talking about whether you have to pay for a copy -- "darmowe". Our definition of "free" for textbooks is basically our definition of "free software"; see https://gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html. Special interests with lots of money are already capable of pushing their positions into textbooks. When a nonfree educational resources is published, if it contains bogus claims, you can't change them. If the resource is free, you can make a modified version and distribute that. > But I would *never* give my child a "free history textbook" > (for example) unless I made really sure that the author did not try to > push some nasty agenda with it. The non-wolne history textbooks in the US have such problems too. The book Lies My Teacher Told Me, by James Loewin, explains some. There are strong partisan pressures on what to say school textbooks. And not just in history -- also in biology, geology and medicine. But this is getting off topic for GNU. For decades, our detractors have claimed that free software can't exist, or that it has to be inferior, based on arguments similar to the ones you have made. Meanwhile, there are now many educational resources which come close to being wolne without, alas, actually being wolne. They are called "open educational resources". Many come from universities that could just as well make them wolne. See stallman.org/articles/online-education.html. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)