From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:24:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <0c88192c-3c33-46ed-95cb-b4c6928016e3@default> <550fa43f-30ef-14f3-dd19-dd97a985a04e@yandex.ru> <95bddb34-2c3f-eff5-220f-16b726d97a69@yandex.ru> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="103328"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com, pcr910303@icloud.com, eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 03 06:25:35 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jgKy6-000Qlg-4g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 06:25:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34754 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jgKy5-0002yS-68 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:25:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47960) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jgKxb-0002SM-M2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:25:03 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33900) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jgKxa-00075A-2S; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:25:02 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jgKxX-0000I4-HX; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 00:24:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Mon, 11 May 2020 05:54:30 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251786 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Today I came across a message remaining from May 11 and concluded I had better respond to it. I regret taking so long. > > > Right. And I'll posit that including s.el into GNU ELPA, by itself, will > > > not hurt any of these three goals. > > > > It would mess up the naming in GNU Emacs, making two incongruous > > systems. > Not in GNU Emacs, though. Yes, in GNU Emacs. If we have s.el in GNU ELPA under current conditions, that will put the s- namespace of GNU Emacs outside our control. (Indeed, someone claimed it is already de facto outside our control.) It is a big problem that other people, without even consulting us, can take major parts of the Emacs Lisp namespace away from us. Maybe we can correct this general problem in a general way with a system of namespaces. I hope so. But denying the problem is not solving it. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)