From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU ELPA package discoverability Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 00:36:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4e937898-ae46-710a-cbca-e452a1156fa1@yandex.ru> <2e630dc7-ba1d-e4c9-74b3-4da976db1e82@yandex.ru> <20200522081318.GA299926@odonien.localdomain> <20200524133833.GB30384@odonien.localdomain> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="48340"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: theophilusx@gmail.com, Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Vasilij Schneidermann Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 25 06:41:01 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jd4v6-000CTy-Uy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 25 May 2020 06:41:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33806 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jd4v5-0005NO-VH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 25 May 2020 00:40:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49856) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jd4qk-0001ZU-V8 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 25 May 2020 00:36:30 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43103) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jd4qj-0007Zs-Q8; Mon, 25 May 2020 00:36:29 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jd4qi-0007bS-5J; Mon, 25 May 2020 00:36:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20200524133833.GB30384@odonien.localdomain> (message from Vasilij Schneidermann on Sun, 24 May 2020 15:38:33 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251345 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > If "community-provided ELPA repositories" means those that include packages > > that depend on nonfree programs, we can't "work with" that. The only thing > > we can legitimately say about them is "don't go there." > This point somewhat surprises me. By that logic GNU ELPA itself would be > "don't go there" as it hosts the excorporate package [1] which depends on > Microsoft's Exchange service, a non-free Service as a Software Substitute. Exchange is a service, not a program, it is not well-defined to say it is "nonfree". See https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/network-services-arent-free-or-nonfree.html. Also, email service is not SaaSS. See https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html. The criterion we apply to GNU ELPA is not to refer users (lead or steer them) to a nonfree program. A service is a different issue. We don't have a rule against packages that communicate with problematical services. Should we have one? Maybe, but that question calls for careful thought, not haste. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)