From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: dash.el [was: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs] Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 23:18:35 -0400 Message-ID: References: <35DBF02E-44D7-41E5-A217-7D6EC84ED221@icloud.com> <83d07984ux.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv0l6kgd.fsf@gnu.org> <831rnn7qna.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="83994"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm, Emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, pcr910303@icloud.com, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri May 15 05:22:03 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jZQvC-000Lix-R6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 15 May 2020 05:22:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49356 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZQvB-00053B-RP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 23:22:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46356) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZQrv-0007Ad-4c for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2020 23:18:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49374) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jZQru-00081q-Fg; Thu, 14 May 2020 23:18:38 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jZQrr-0008Cv-4e; Thu, 14 May 2020 23:18:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: <831rnn7qna.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Wed, 13 May 2020 19:20:41 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250321 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Others seem to think otherwise. So maybe we should begin even farther > back: by defining what it means to be a GNU ELPA package that is > considered "compatible with core". > Here's my definition: it is a package which we can move in or out of > core whenever we like, and/or distribute it as part of an Emacs > release, whether the Emacs source tarball or any auxiliary tarballs > that are considered part of an official Emacs distribution. If we want to define "compatible with core" (i.e., ready to be moved to the core if we wish), that is a good definition. The crucial policy decision is the next step: under what circumstances should we insist that a GNU ELPA package be compatible with core, as a condition of admiting it to GNU ELPA? > > Personally I don't see much benefit in such labeling: the way I expect > > it to work is rather: > > - Shouldn't we include SuperFoo into the tarball? > > - Oh, yes, good idea. Let's see ... is it in a good enough shape? > > - Almost, we just have to fix this and that. > > - OK, let's do that. > > - [time passes] > > - Alright, now this and that has been fixed, let's include it. > > - Great, thanks, done. It would be unwise to put ourselves in this position. Delaying before handling the papers will make it harder, perhaps impossible. (I explained the reasons earlier this week.) -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)