From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: dash.el [was: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs] Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 00:59:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <0c88192c-3c33-46ed-95cb-b4c6928016e3@default> <87wo5mc04t.fsf@fastmail.fm> <835zd5h6tq.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8qwc88b.fsf@russet.org.uk> <85E41CCF-8D56-4878-95CA-4ED7A6B8E40B@icloud.com> <87eerqbg10.fsf@russet.org.uk> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="103679"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: joostkremers@fastmail.fm, emacs-devel@gnu.org, pcr910303@icloud.com, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 12 07:00:38 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYN1y-000Qtc-5N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 07:00:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53114 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYN1x-0005s2-4J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 01:00:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40430) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYN1G-00053c-P3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 May 2020 00:59:54 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60630) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYN1G-00046A-CW; Tue, 12 May 2020 00:59:54 -0400 Original-Received: from ams by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jYN1B-0006uH-89; Tue, 12 May 2020 00:59:49 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Mon, 11 May 2020 23:16:22 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249940 Archived-At: > > This is just a matter of following the good practises that already > > exist in Emacs. It would be a bad idea to start making a mess, and > > then encouraging this mess to become larger. > Posited on s.el being a mess, which neither it, nor dash.el is. They are > both nice APIs that are nice to use. I agree with you that s.el, in and of itself, is not a mess. I can't speak for AMS, but maybe he would agree. Indeed I do, and this sums it up well. However, adding s.el to Emacs, or to GNU ELPA, would make a mess. The mess would be the juxtaposition of Emacs's own string functions, with the s.el string functions -- two different interfaces for the same job, similar in some places and disparate in others, in an unpredictable way.