From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proper namespaces in Elisp Date: Sat, 09 May 2020 09:11:39 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87ftcee7td.fsf@tromey.com> <87pnbgzdmx.fsf@tromey.com> <1225997b-648a-068d-7f6b-e1575477a0d0@dancol.org> <875zd62qy7.fsf@t510.orion.oneofus.la> <09ed390e-c735-3a7e-ecfd-504557b192a2@dancol.org> <87368a2d1a.fsf@t510.orion.oneofus.la> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="10280"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: AquaMail/1.24.0-1585 (build: 102400006) Cc: Tom Tromey , emacs-devel@gnu.org, =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= , Stefan Monnier To: Andrea Corallo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 09 18:13:58 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jXS6w-0002Y3-Lb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 18:13:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37018 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXS6v-0004gX-1J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 12:13:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50452) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXS4u-0003lX-Ly for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 12:11:52 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:56932) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jXS4r-0000OU-Vp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 May 2020 12:11:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version: Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Date:CC:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=LO9EfzsWgI8v1x8gw9xPfR3oEK+liPCn0LcAK9npwNA=; b=IRAwKQWkNkYkpB1xozsoLMcTqI hQojR3y3ly3BUsiKhNF6k/Gw9qYCrq5TiN0gOXR0dLLHdvkBD6wZJp7xEAMJzL+IZ/6Zv7s1hf9fm 305Y9QSnbKd6BH4yfAx4gyWMb1r3SrTfMkq/f08qAS4+CxStNIn6YOKJBQsoeed3DpQ0xVxXlGFZh bECaV5uzCfuOv8L+Pg+EMXcXWX/WQDSjPbPEhyap3mCfc3jlZApJ2V6C7dAT2S4+6gsEBduhiRQVl Bcptn3Z2Ryo14P2yNGt+1wYHS5R/HGPLLIDL3JupLELa5MxQG9IhtPjLxEMQDt60NWuIRZ7D+DlpR dwMlDVCw==; Original-Received: from [172.92.145.124] (helo=[192.168.86.155]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1jXS4i-0008Jf-3l; Sat, 09 May 2020 09:11:40 -0700 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3; envelope-from=dancol@dancol.org; helo=dancol.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: 12 X-Spam_score: 1.2 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam_report: (1.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249496 Archived-At: On May 9, 2020 1:37:16 AM Andrea Corallo wrote: > Daniel Colascione writes: > >> So there are three basic operations we can support: in Python syntax, >> 1) from PKG import * (exposing PKG.foo as foo), 2) import PKG as p >> (exposing PKG.foo as p.foo) and 3), from PKG import foo (exposing >> PKG.foo as foo). CL supports all three. I'm most interested in >> supporting #2, since that's closest to existing use. The lexspace >> prototype posted earlier today supports #3 and #1 (the latter via >> lexspace inheritance) only, but I think we should do #2 instead > > I suspect we'll need all threes anyway. Why? What problem is actually being solved by #1 and #3? If the problem is that package names long enough to avoid collisions are too annoying to type, we can address this problem with #2.