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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: "Clément Pit-Claudel" <cpitclaudel@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proper namespaces in Elisp
Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 22:51:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1jVngD-0005wA-05@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <057e0083-593c-1fba-f83b-0195b42ca6f8@gmail.com> (message from Clément Pit-Claudel on Mon, 4 May 2020 11:38:07 -0400)

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  > And https://github.com/Malabarba/nameless/.  I'm surprised that this package hasn't seen more adoption.  It's basically solved the namespacing problem for me.
  > It uses font-lock to shorten package prefixes: my-package-xyz gets displayed as :xyz, my-package--abc gets displayed as ::abc, and other prefixes can be added (by default font-lock-xyz gets displayed as fl:xyz).

Are you saying that this package implements _abbreviation_ for prefixes
in a totally determined way, with no searching of multiple namespaces?
It seems that way.

What causes problems with namespaces in Lisp is searching multiple
namespaces in series until one of them contains the desired symbol.
If the system does not do that, it might not cause a problem -- but it
won't do the same job that people expect.

I think this will cause the problems:

  > Anyway, are there any contemporary objections to Nic's plan, in
  > particular I am interested in knowing if there any any major objections
  > to Nic's reader logic:

  > - given a string X
  > - lookup X in the local obarray
  > - if it exists return the symbol
  > - else
  > -  lookup X in the global obarray
  > -  if it exists return the symbol
  > -  else
  > -    add the symbol to the local obarray

Any scheme for searching namespaces at read time will work out badly.
Good results from namespaces require doing the search based on how the
symbol will be used in each occurrence.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-05-05  2:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-04 10:52 Proper namespaces in Elisp João Távora
2020-05-04 15:11 ` Adam Porter
2020-05-04 15:38   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-04 15:49     ` João Távora
2020-05-04 16:39       ` Adam Porter
2020-05-04 16:49         ` João Távora
2020-05-04 18:00       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-04 20:19       ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-05  2:51     ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2020-05-04 15:29 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-05-04 16:04   ` João Távora
2020-05-04 18:29     ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-04 18:39     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 19:02       ` João Távora
2020-05-04 19:20         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 19:49           ` João Távora
2020-05-04 21:59         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-04 22:34           ` João Távora
2020-05-05 10:33             ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 10:54               ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 12:50               ` João Távora
2020-05-05 13:34                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 14:03                   ` João Távora
2020-05-05 14:26                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 21:20                       ` João Távora
2020-05-05 23:37                         ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-06  0:15                           ` João Távora
2020-05-06  7:07                             ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-06 19:48                               ` João Távora
2020-05-07  6:13                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-05 13:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-05 14:07                 ` João Távora
2020-05-05  4:55           ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-04 21:40     ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-04 22:09       ` João Távora
2020-05-05  1:09         ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-05  9:38           ` João Távora
2020-05-05 16:41             ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-05 21:29               ` João Távora
2020-05-06  3:25                 ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-06 19:38                   ` João Távora
2020-05-06 22:47                     ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-07 10:00                       ` João Távora
2020-05-07 18:30                         ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-07 19:32                           ` João Távora
2020-05-04 22:40       ` João Távora
2020-05-05  1:24         ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-04 15:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-05 15:10 ` Tom Tromey
2020-05-05 21:30   ` João Távora
2020-05-07  2:23     ` Tom Tromey
2020-05-07  3:12       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 13:02         ` Tom Tromey
2020-05-07 13:48           ` João Távora
2020-05-07 18:17             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 18:48               ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-07 20:33                 ` João Távora
2020-05-08  2:56                   ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-08 15:56                     ` João Távora
2020-05-08 17:59                       ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-08 18:38                         ` João Távora
2020-05-07 19:37         ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-07 20:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 20:42             ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-07 21:06               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 21:10                 ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-07 21:46                   ` João Távora
2020-05-07 21:56                     ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-07 22:12                       ` João Távora
2020-05-08 18:59               ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-08 19:34                 ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09  0:00                   ` Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-09  0:32                     ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09  8:37                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 16:11                         ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 17:25                           ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 17:45                             ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 18:23                               ` João Távora
2020-05-09 18:32                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 18:35                                   ` João Távora
2020-05-09 18:39                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 19:11                                       ` João Távora
2020-05-09 18:30                               ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 18:33                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 18:48                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 20:34                                     ` Why :USE sucks in the Common Lisp package system Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-09 21:47                                       ` João Távora
2020-05-09 21:55                                         ` Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-09 22:01                                           ` Daniel Colascione
2020-05-09 22:07                                             ` Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-09 22:12                                           ` João Távora
2020-05-10 10:10                                             ` Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-09 23:23                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-10  6:46                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2020-05-10  8:53                                           ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-10  9:59                                             ` Michał "phoe" Herda
2020-05-10  1:19                       ` Proper namespaces in Elisp Vladimir Sedach
2020-05-08 23:07                 ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-08 23:23                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-09  8:12                     ` Andrea Corallo
2020-05-09 12:06             ` Tuấn-Anh Nguyễn

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