From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Philippe Vaucher <philippe.vaucher@gmail.com>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, tomas@tuxteam.de, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient
Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 23:09:06 -0400 [thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: <CAGK7Mr6cS1wLgEyAOGHG0arik+AjX4kV4-ewFHVgbFktENT_Nw@mail.gmail.com> (message from Philippe Vaucher on Sun, 3 May 2020 09:47:33 +0200)
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> > Is the reason you expect the names to follow that pattern
> > that you are coming from a language that uses abstract object tyoes
> > where each type defines methods to operate on it? Do you wish you
> > could ask, "Show me the operations defined on type 'regexp'"?
> Yes, and also because in almost every other languages there are namespaces.
> Including other lisps (Scheme, Clojure). Even in Emacs Lisp the namespace
> concept is used, look at the all the `string-*` functions.
No, they are not namespaces. What Emacs has is naming conventions.
They are flexible, not rigid. They are suggestions, not rules.
We will not change Emacs to make them rigid rules, because we can't
stand for such regimentation. But it isn't necessary. We can provide
documentation facilities that do exactly what you want -- that list functions
_as if_ we had renamed functions to fit those rules. You would then
be able to customize them, extend them, and modify them.
> We could make an alias
> > ("alist" "assoc"), which would add "assoc" to the list
> > of completions of "alist".
> >
> > These aliases would avoid the downsides completely. Would they help you?
> Maybe, I see that as being a bit dangerous and unexpected for a lot of
> users tho. One expects plain text search in C-h f.
The text for that completion item could look like this
alist-association (assoc)
Then the completion itself could be purely textual,
but if you select that item, what you would get in the minibuffer
would be 'assoc'.
It can work whichever way you like, and the way you prefer
could be installed as an option for users to choose.
Would that do what you need?
--
Dr Richard Stallman
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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2020-04-28 13:01 [ELPA] New package: transient Jonas Bernoulli
[not found] ` <jwv4kt3d1r8.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li>
[not found] ` <jwvh7x3bfoe.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
[not found] ` <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li>
2020-04-29 8:29 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 9:50 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 10:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 10:17 ` tomas
2020-04-29 10:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 10:52 ` tomas
2020-04-30 12:44 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-30 13:28 ` tomas
2020-04-30 14:26 ` Namespacing Emacs's core (was: [ELPA] New package: transient) Stefan Monnier
2020-04-30 15:08 ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:23 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:56 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:02 ` tomas
2020-04-30 2:30 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 2:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-01 6:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 7:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 8:09 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 9:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 9:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 10:11 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 10:56 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:59 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 11:09 ` Use elisp--xref-backend in *Apropos* and *Help* (Was Re: [ELPA] New package: transient) João Távora
2020-05-02 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 2:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 11:22 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 11:52 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 12:09 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 12:22 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 17:33 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-04 16:04 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 9:53 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 10:39 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 11:10 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 11:17 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 11:39 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:02 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:11 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:20 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:36 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 12:59 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 13:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 13:12 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 12:28 ` tomas
2020-05-02 12:22 ` tomas
2020-05-03 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-03 4:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 17:48 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 14:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 14:57 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 17:42 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 11:47 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 14:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 15:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 15:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 16:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 13:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 14:10 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 14:26 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 15:43 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 16:12 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 16:42 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 18:27 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-03 7:47 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 19:46 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03 21:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 22:04 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 0:41 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 3:09 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2020-05-02 16:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:10 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 18:37 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 19:12 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 19:44 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 18:32 ` Yuan Fu
2020-05-02 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 20:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 21:00 ` João Távora
2020-05-02 21:53 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 22:13 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 3:07 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 21:27 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-03 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 15:03 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 15:11 ` Joost Kremers
2020-05-03 15:28 ` C-h f and C-h v (was: [ELPA] New package: transient) Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 17:41 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 17:44 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 16:21 ` [ELPA] New package: transient Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 15:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-03 16:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 21:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 13:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 15:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 18:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 16:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 18:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 0:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-03 19:49 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 23:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 1:01 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 1:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-04 18:05 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 15:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-04 17:31 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-04 1:13 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-04 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 8:23 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 14:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 15:39 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 16:33 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 15:44 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 16:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-05 16:40 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-05 8:27 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-05-03 21:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-04 13:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 16:50 ` João Távora
2020-05-03 16:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-03 17:43 ` João Távora
2020-05-04 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 18:57 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:15 ` 조성빈
2020-05-02 19:59 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 20:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 14:22 ` João Távora
2020-04-29 13:12 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 13:42 ` tomas
2020-04-29 13:50 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 17:03 ` Robert Pluim
2020-04-29 19:25 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 17:51 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-29 19:24 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-29 13:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-29 14:01 ` tomas
2020-04-29 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-29 15:25 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 18:19 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 19:26 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 19:34 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 22:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 22:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01 3:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-01 3:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-01 15:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-01 16:05 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 7:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-02 8:06 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 17:08 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-30 19:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-29 17:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-29 19:01 ` tomas
2020-04-29 19:31 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 11:51 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-30 12:38 ` tomas
2020-04-30 17:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-30 17:53 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:42 ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:41 ` tomas
2020-04-30 18:14 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-04-30 18:58 ` tomas
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2020-04-30 22:04 ` Keeping it kind Clément Pit-Claudel
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2020-05-01 8:31 ` Philippe Vaucher
2020-05-02 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
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2020-04-29 13:43 ` Philippe Vaucher
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2020-04-29 15:48 ` Stefan Monnier
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