From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Sun, 03 May 2020 23:08:42 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li> <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li> <83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429101755.GF24737@tuxteam.de> <838sicw4do.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhaqu89z.fsf@gnu.org> <83sggiu2p9.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="84275"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: tomas@tuxteam.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org, joaotavora@gmail.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon May 04 05:09:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVRTz-000LpB-CZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 04 May 2020 05:09:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54136 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVRTy-0008N5-Da for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 23:09:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35332) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVRTK-0007NC-CN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 23:08:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44100) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVRTK-0004Ze-0u; Sun, 03 May 2020 23:08:46 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jVRTG-00063u-8P; Sun, 03 May 2020 23:08:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Sun, 03 May 2020 00:24:28 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248769 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > I think the cause of the problem is that they are talking with each > > other and not with us. > They've also talked with us. Your statement appears to disagree with mine, but not really -- due to the tenses, they are about slightly different points. "They are talking with each other" is a statement about what they _generally_ do, where as "they've talked with us" says they have done something on at least one occasion. I would guess that they talk with each other often, and only rarely with us. Is that correct? If so, that is exactly the problem situation I was concerned about. If what they want is so different from what we want that there is no possibility of cooperation, I think it is a damned shame we didn't pay more attention early to avoiding a fork. But if there is still a chance of preserving some cooperation with them, let's not be defeatist about it. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)