From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 23:43:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li> <87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li> <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li> <83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429101755.GF24737@tuxteam.de> <838sicw4do.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhaqu89z.fsf@gnu.org> <83sggiu2p9.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="4250"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, tomas@tuxteam.de, joaotavora@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Philippe Vaucher Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 03 05:48:24 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jV5c8-0000wr-5V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 05:48:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52588 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jV5c7-0004lq-7Q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:48:23 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37416) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jV5XX-0006HH-OA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:43:39 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44738) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jV5XX-0006ic-D1; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:43:39 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jV5XU-0001lS-4K; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:43:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Philippe Vaucher on Sat, 2 May 2020 13:39:48 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248630 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > It's been several time now that the "github community" proposed changes > that looked "evident improvements" to them but got hit by a wall of > incomprehension/complexity (I'm not saying this proposal is one of them, > but what comes often is "why not gitlab? how come s.el is not in Emacs > core?", etc). I think the cause of the problem is that they are talking with each other and not with us. They have formed a separate community, which may not have roots in Lisp and Emacs culture. That separation will tend of cause problems. How about if we look for ways to bring the two communities together in discussion. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)