From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 23:42:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4XvMn7QQudwuCq-3cSOnqK_gBoHnmblv2--PKi2oupbCsZwaxxrzA2Chwb6LEzzg1TYjAJNboC8lwPgw8VA5IhYUBs-Jly9HfTqPtsgZUHg=@protonmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="118317"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ndame@protonmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 03 05:44:20 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jV5YB-000UbW-RY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 03 May 2020 05:44:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38946 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jV5YA-0006e0-UB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:44:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37208) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jV5Wr-0004zG-La for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:42:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44713) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jV5Wq-0005qa-As; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:42:56 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jV5Wo-0001cA-8i; Sat, 02 May 2020 23:42:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Arthur Miller on Sat, 02 May 2020 17:52:19 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248623 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Emacs would be a more drastic UI change than the one Blender made, > Njah, they rewrote their GUI code almost completely. I think we are talking past each other. I don't use Blender, I don't know the field of animation, and I could be misunderstanding everything about it. But I think that in Blender, the command set is just an interface, whereas in Emacs, the commands are what it is. I think that animation is fundamentally more complex than text. Not just a little more complex, but enormously and deeply so. I expect Blender has a lot of very different and very complex things it can do to the animation being edited. So a Blender user would be thinking all the time about which complex and sophisticated operation perse wants to do next, and the commands to invoke the operation would be secondary. Whereas in Emacs, I think, we are focused on lots of commands to do more-or-less transparent things with text. But anyway, would > that necessary be a bad thing? You can develop another interface to Emacs. We could support it as an option, but it would not be Emacs. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)