From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Bringing GNU Emacs to Native Code" at the European Lisp Symposium Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 22:21:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <69d8b48d-bd09-41c1-a89d-ed76fe0284a4@default> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="99504"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: akrl@sdf.org, stefan@marxist.se, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat May 02 04:22:25 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jUhnN-000PmU-37 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 02 May 2020 04:22:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59754 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUhnM-000767-5D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 May 2020 22:22:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35220) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUhmk-00065p-Bv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 May 2020 22:21:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43842) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jUhmj-0003jl-8j; Fri, 01 May 2020 22:21:45 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jUhmh-0005dp-8L; Fri, 01 May 2020 22:21:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Wed, 29 Apr 2020 23:00:48 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248364 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > but I think it's perfectly OK to require using Elisp/l in order to > make use of some new features. We already do that in various cases > (e.g. `gv-ref`, `thunk.el`, `generator.el` and I'm sure there are > others). Those issues are not comparable to this issue. They are facilities for use in code, and they have trouble with dynamic binding for inherent reasons. Even in lexical binding mode, they may fail to work as expected with code that binds dynamic variables. None of that applies to a compiler. Any compiler that transforms Emacs Lisp into something else must be able to deal with dynamic binding. So there is no reason it should have trouble with dynamic binding mode, that only means it is not finished. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)