From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to poll the users Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 22:22:30 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a736wyed.fsf@yahoo.com> <2F7AD0CB-FF83-4244-BD77-7E0460A77762@icloud.com> <87wo6a7abj.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o8rlbnic.fsf@yahoo.com> <45098d13-2770-4a19-6f82-b22276eb51c8@yandex.ru> <877dy91mb0.fsf@yahoo.com> <0ce06d95-0593-bc55-983f-6b6601503a1a@yandex.ru> <38f07534-f9db-64eb-5256-e73bcebafef4@yandex.ru> <8e4a5b46-f9a6-400e-f573-f73b419e229f@yandex.ru> <18a14ae4-66da-496b-8929-355e8833ecb2@default> <1eb74697-c7ce-47fc-886d-96a1d2ca01d1@default> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="118382"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, pcr910303@icloud.com, seb@k-7.ch, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 27 04:23:39 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jStQp-000Uha-7U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 04:23:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50636 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jStQo-0005WG-9j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 22:23:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60988) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jStPk-0003t9-7F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 22:22:33 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54591) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jStPj-00072T-SV; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 22:22:31 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jStPi-0005Gl-7d; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 22:22:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1eb74697-c7ce-47fc-886d-96a1d2ca01d1@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 26 Apr 2020 10:44:50 -0700 (PDT)) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247879 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I don't see how all of those downsides couldn't be > mitigated, providing a GNU site or other means to > serve as single collection point, echoing point > (echoing current counts, text suggestions, etc.), > and even providing a discussion venue. I think we should make sure polls do NOT turn into discussions. Discussions would multiply the bulk of messages and we would not be able to digest them. Most of you are brainstorming about what we could do. I have actually done polls. Dmitry wrote: > And if every such poll will requires a special setup (configuration by > the admins, etcetera), it will limit our ability to do them. Having each poll dump responses into its own file was reliable and easy. To set this up takes a few minutes. It may take an hour or two to write the posting. It may take hours to study the responses. So let's not worry about the extra few minutes. > IOW, don't try to reproduce the polling here, there > and everywhere. Just announce it here, there, and > everywhere. Anyone who wants to discuss a poll > here, there, and everywhere is welcome to do so, > but that discussion will not automatically be > captured as part of the poll itself. THose points seem valid to me. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)