From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:19:28 -0400 Message-ID: References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <0B01B576-3DC7-4FAE-8010-C9B5CB6BA024@icloud.com> <87d084htcf.fsf@yahoo.com> <149F5B4D-F219-409C-A994-096C777259EC@icloud.com> <87v9lweynz.fsf@yahoo.com> <74B639DD-3775-4BE7-B0B2-300B5CE62E14@icloud.com> <87k12bewpq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o8rnacxr.fsf@yahoo.com> <877dyaye21.fsf@yahoo.com> <87blnlbnba.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="69670"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: me@enzu.ru, joseph.h.garvin@gmail.com, stefan@marxist.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, pcr910303@icloud.com, eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, ndame@protonmail.com To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 05:20:32 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5w7-000I03-GR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 05:20:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40312 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5w6-0006ii-JK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:20:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58440) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5v8-0005R4-KA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:19:30 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51926) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5v7-0005Xf-Ie; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:19:29 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5v6-0002Ju-FR; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:19:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87blnlbnba.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 10:11:05 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247491 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I wasn't referring to how buffers can be operated from C code. I was > referring to how buffers are an integral part of the Emacs Lisp > *language*, and not some hypothetical "standard library". I don't think the concept of "standard library" makes sense for Emacs Lisp. However, I conceptually divide the programming facilities of Emacs into * The Emacs Lisp language and * the editing facilities. I see buffers as part of the editing facilities, not part of the Emacs Lisp language itself. > I was also referring to how the Eintr explains how buffers can be > manipulated from Lisp code quite well. What do you mean by the term "Eintr"? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)