From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:17:10 -0400 Message-ID: References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdwjais.fsf@yahoo.com> <6a198677-41b6-4dbd-39d0-2b01550d53cf@yandex.ru> <32f6a2ce-e30f-059f-dcd4-233d666a10a1@yandex.ru> <87r1whiape.fsf@fastmail.fm> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="59647"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Joost Kremers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 22 05:17:52 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5tY-000FQc-4E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Apr 2020 05:17:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40286 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5tX-0003la-8G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:17:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55898) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5sw-0003B8-QJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:17:15 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5sw-0002Xh-J2; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:17:14 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jR5ss-0001xM-L9; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 23:17:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87r1whiape.fsf@fastmail.fm> (message from Joost Kremers on Tue, 21 Apr 2020 09:01:33 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247487 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I found it impossible to learn what Org mode does. Its introduction taught how to do outline editing. It made sense, but outline editing useful for me, so I stopped reading. I did not want to study use of a mode for outline editing. When you tell me that Emacs has important facilities -- doing jobs very different from outline editing -- that I don't know about because they have been integrated as "part of Org mode", my conclusion is that we should have integrated them differently. Those other facilities should not be treated as "part of Org mode". They should be separate facilities, each one documented separately, and usable by itself. I would like to see those facilities separated from Org mode and made into separate first-class subsystems. Then they can be documented in the Emacs manual. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)