From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:50:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87h7xe79l7.fsf@yahoo.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="71782"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, ndame@protonmail.com To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 21 03:52:03 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQi4x-000Ia8-5F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Apr 2020 03:52:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46190 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQi4u-0004jg-WE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:52:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34572) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQi33-0001BH-Cg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:50:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60223) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQi33-0000II-4q; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:50:05 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jQi32-0003QI-50; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:50:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87h7xe79l7.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:08:52 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247437 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I don't think anyone would mind if a > package shipped with Emacs automatically downloaded and installed a > free language server. (and I haven't actually seen any non-free language > servers.) That approach to problem can have disadvantages. In general, for the kind of packages that we would like to include in Emacs, we should push for that kind of solution. We should not treat "autoloaded from elsewhere" as equivalent to "included". Where something is distributed DOES make a difference. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)