From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2020 22:19:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="34343"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, drew.adams@oracle.com, ndame@protonmail.com To: Joseph Garvin Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 19 04:21:28 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jPzaK-0008qT-9K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Apr 2020 04:21:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36520 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPzaJ-0008An-CL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 22:21:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59102) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPzYt-0006HY-3m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 22:19:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jPzYs-0002z1-RJ; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 22:19:58 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jPzYr-00044D-Nb; Sat, 18 Apr 2020 22:19:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Joseph Garvin on Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:34:24 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247260 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > * A UI that doesn't look or behave like any other application > * Keyboard shortcuts inconsistent with every other application > * A bizarre ancient vocabulary inconsistent with every other application. A new user might well think of Emacs keyboard commands as "shortcuts", carrying over the concepts that perse has learned in using other programs. When it comes to understanding what new users think, we need to know what concepts they use. But those characters are not really "shortcuts". -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)