From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rename "window" to "pane" (after Emacs 27) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2020 22:31:36 -0400 Message-ID: References: <878sjgbbot.fsf@oitofelix.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="83188"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: oitofelix@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 02 04:33:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jJpfP-000LXa-9u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2020 04:33:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60824 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jJpfO-0005NR-9z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2020 22:33:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56501) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jJpds-00047d-48 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 01 Apr 2020 22:31:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47790) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jJpdq-00047b-NC; Wed, 01 Apr 2020 22:31:38 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jJpdo-0003Oi-UH; Wed, 01 Apr 2020 22:31:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 1 Apr 2020 14:03:37 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:246230 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > I have nothing in principle against renaming "window" to "pane", but > > it would be a big transient. Before doing that, I think we should > > poll the users to see what they think about it. > How would we go about polling the users? Here's how I did it in the past: * Make a file for the replies to go into. * Make a mailing address which drops all mail into the file. * Mail to info-gnu-emacs and help-gnu-emacs, and any other suitable place, presenting the proposed change in sufficient detail that people can judge it, and where to email the response, as well as what kind of information we seek. What we seek is not "votes", but understanding. If you are for the change, please explain why. Would it help you directly? If so, in what scenario, and what would the benefit be? And how important? Or is it that you think it will help Emacs development by helping others? Please distinguish between what you know and what you guess. Likewise, if you are against the change, please explain why. Would it inconvenience you directly? If so, in what scenario, and what would the inconvenience be? And how important? Or is it that you think it will harm Emacs development by inconveniencing others? We invite you also to propose changes in the proposal that would improve it, for you -- saying in what scenario, and how. * We state a deadline some weeks in the future, but since there is no hurry, we wait some extra time before we look at the responses. * Ultimately, we do not restrict ourselves to choosing between "make the change" and "don't make it". The best outcome is that the feedback enables us to design a way to please almost everyone. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)