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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Memnon Anon <memnon+usenet@freeshell.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems,  please reopen." [
Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2019 00:41:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1ibeSm-0004M0-IO@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ynpuzhgf82k1.fsf@freeshell.org> (message from Memnon Anon on Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:17:02 +0000)

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  > FWIW, I was always under the impression that, before you even consider
  > writing a bug report, it is good manners to check, whether the issue
  > is already reported, or perhaps solved in the dev branch.

I just checked the section Reporting Bugs of the Emacs Manual and was
surprised to see that it asks users to look in debbugs.

That requires substantial work, and substantial knowledge that users
otherwise would not need to have, so it is a substantial
discouragement to reporting bugs.

It also asks users to look at several mailing lists.  That too is a
discouragement.

If we want to encourage users to report bugs, the obvious way is to
delete those recommendations.  Let's tell users, "It's better to risk
a duplicate bug report than risk leaving a bug unreported."

It could make sense to have a separate, following section in which we
say, "If you report bugs often and you would like to be
super-conscientious about avoiding duplicates, you could check for
whether each bug has already been reported by looking at...
But it's better to risk
a duplicate bug report than risk leaving a bug unreported.

I suggest making it a separate section because otherwise people might
think, "If I don't do these things, and I don't have time to do them,
it is better if I not send anything."

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)





  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-02  5:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 276+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2019-11-17 11:30 ` "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:] Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-17 11:38   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 17:42     ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-17 17:49       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 17:58         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-19  6:08           ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-17 18:02         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 18:06         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 18:09           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 18:15             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 18:27               ` Andreas Schwab
2019-11-17 18:36               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 18:37                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 18:38                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 18:51                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-18 14:10                 ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-19  8:27                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-19  9:56                     ` Robert Pluim
2019-11-19 11:00                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20 11:12                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-21 16:38                         ` Zach Pearson
2019-11-19  6:09               ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-19 11:14                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-19 16:13                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-01  1:19                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-01-01  5:32                   ` Drew Adams
2020-01-01 10:48                     ` VanL
2020-01-01 15:30                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-01-01 15:45                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-01-02  2:35                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2020-01-02 23:45                       ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2020-01-22 12:31                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 20:14             ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-11-17 21:33             ` João Távora
2019-11-17 22:05               ` dick.r.chiang
2019-11-17 22:19                 ` Amin Bandali
2019-11-17 22:56                   ` João Távora
2019-11-18  7:38                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-18  8:46                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18  8:54                         ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-18  8:59                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18  9:16                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-18  9:17                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18  9:23                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-18  9:30                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18 10:10                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2019-11-18 11:12                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-18 10:52                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-18 11:35                     ` dick.r.chiang
2019-11-19  4:58                     ` Amin Bandali
2019-11-17 18:28           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23  8:06             ` Steinar Bang
2019-11-17 17:59       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 18:11         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 18:29           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 18:25         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-17 18:45           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 19:07             ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-17 19:25               ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-17 19:53                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-17 19:59                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 20:03                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 20:09                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 20:16                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-17 20:22                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 20:35                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18  8:42                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18 11:24                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 11:28                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18 11:36                                     ` João Távora
2019-11-18 12:04                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 12:21                                         ` João Távora
2019-11-18 11:58                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-17 20:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 20:57                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18  3:24                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-18 14:02                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 14:46                               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-19  8:32                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-18 16:12                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02  1:20                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-19  6:08                       ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-19 11:15                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-19 16:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 11:15                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-20 16:25                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 16:53                                 ` João Távora
2019-11-20 17:43                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 19:29                                     ` João Távora
2019-11-20 20:02                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 20:12                                         ` João Távora
2019-11-21 14:49                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 15:00                                             ` João Távora
2019-11-21 15:06                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 15:09                                                 ` João Távora
2019-11-21 15:15                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 15:10                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 15:30                                                 ` João Távora
2019-11-21 18:26                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 19:16                                                     ` João Távora
2019-11-21 19:32                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 13:10                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-21 20:04                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22  7:07                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22  8:23                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22  9:14                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22  9:46                                                             ` João Távora
2019-11-22 10:02                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-22 10:16                                                                 ` João Távora
2019-11-22 10:26                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 12:24                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-21 14:27                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 14:28                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-17 20:00                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-19  6:08                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-17 19:47               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-17 20:32               ` Juanma Barranquero
2019-11-18 16:22             ` Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-18 17:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-18 22:23                 ` Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-18 17:59           ` John Wiegley
2019-11-18 18:14             ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-18 18:17             ` João Távora
2019-11-18 20:53               ` John Wiegley
2019-11-19  7:41               ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-19 16:05                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-18 19:25             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-18 22:56             ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:]) Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-18 23:40               ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ dick.r.chiang
2019-11-19  7:58               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-19 19:50                 ` John Wiegley
2019-11-20  8:20                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20  9:11                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20  9:23                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20  9:39                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20  9:51                           ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20 10:34                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 10:56                               ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20 21:49                               ` João Távora
2019-11-21  3:06                           ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-21 10:27                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-22  3:38                               ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-22 12:29                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-22 13:12                                   ` Yuri Khan
2019-11-23 13:14                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-23 13:58                                       ` Yuri Khan
2019-11-23 23:06                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-24  3:19                                           ` HaiJun Zhang
2019-11-25  6:52                                       ` Sergey Organov
2019-11-22 17:14                                   ` Drew Adams
2019-11-23  0:05                                     ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-25  3:11                                       ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-25  3:32                                         ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-26  3:46                                           ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-26 20:55                                             ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-25  7:03                                       ` Sergey Organov
2019-11-25  7:44                                         ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-26  3:45                                           ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-26  5:44                                             ` Drew Adams
2019-11-26 15:18                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-26 16:24                                                 ` Drew Adams
2019-11-27  6:44                                               ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-27 11:38                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-27 15:22                                                   ` Drew Adams
2019-11-27 16:00                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-27 16:16                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-27 16:28                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-27 16:51                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-28  9:36                                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-28 16:30                                                     ` Drew Adams
2019-11-29  5:26                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-29  6:53                                                         ` Drew Adams
2019-11-29  6:15                                                       ` Pankaj Jangid
2019-11-29  6:32                                                         ` Drew Adams
2019-11-29  5:32                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-27 15:14                                                 ` Drew Adams
2019-11-26 18:07                                             ` defaults contents of report-emacs-bug Glenn Morris
2019-11-27  5:00                                               ` Sergey Organov
2019-11-27  5:01                                               ` Sergey Organov
2019-11-23 13:14                                   ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ Richard Stallman
2019-11-23  0:37                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-23  8:36                                   ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-23 10:11                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-23 13:28                                       ` VanL
2019-11-23 16:04                                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-23 16:39                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 17:56                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-24  1:57                                           ` Drew Adams
2019-11-24  2:45                                             ` Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-24  3:44                                               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-25  3:18                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-25  3:34                                                   ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-26  3:46                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-26 20:52                                                       ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-24 18:31                                               ` Drew Adams
2019-11-24 21:59                                                 ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-24  3:42                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-24 20:16                                             ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-24 21:42                                               ` Drew Adams
2019-11-28 10:20                                           ` Philippe Vaucher
2019-11-27 23:56                                         ` Per Starbäck
2019-11-28  0:48                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-28 10:43                                           ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-29  5:21                                           ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-23 11:59                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-25  3:11                                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-25 16:50                                     ` Karl Fogel
2019-11-29  9:17                                     ` Memnon Anon
2019-12-02  5:41                                       ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2019-12-02 15:42                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-02 23:57                                           ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2019-12-03  4:15                                             ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-12-03 13:48                                           ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2019-11-21 14:14                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 17:59                               ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen.") Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-21 18:18                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 20:42                                   ` Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-22  3:42                                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-21 19:07                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-23 13:09                                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-21 21:32                                 ` John Wiegley
2019-11-22  2:08                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-22  4:30                                     ` John Wiegley
2019-11-25 20:43                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2019-11-23 13:20                                     ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-22  3:41                                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-22  3:41                                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-21 20:26                               ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-21 21:18                                 ` John Wiegley
2019-11-22  3:42                               ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-22  8:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 11:05                       ` Achim Gratz
2019-11-21  3:06                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-20 14:01                       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-21 12:15                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-24 22:06                           ` David Engster
2019-11-24 23:58                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-11-22 14:28                       ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2019-12-30  0:17                       ` Richard Stallman
2019-12-30  7:54                         ` Tim Cross
2019-12-31  0:40                           ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-20 10:44                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-20 11:00                       ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20 11:03                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-20 11:39                           ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20 11:49                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-20 13:28                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 13:55                                 ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-20 14:04                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 14:23                                     ` Michael Albinus
2019-11-21 11:57                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-21 13:50                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 15:14                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-21 15:17                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-21 15:20                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-21 15:28                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 15:52                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-11-21 18:05                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-23 13:11                                         ` Richard Stallman
2019-11-21 11:58                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-20 16:27                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 19:27                               ` Yuri Khan
2019-11-20 19:31                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-20 19:44                                   ` Yuri Khan
2019-11-20 19:49                                     ` Robert Pluim
2019-11-20 19:46                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2019-11-20 20:08                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-11-21 12:02                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2019-11-23 16:58                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2019-11-20 23:53                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2019-11-20 16:19               ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:]) Richard Stallman
2019-11-20 16:50                 ` Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ John Wiegley
2019-11-17 19:36       ` "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [Was: bug#25148:] dick.r.chiang
2019-11-18 18:22         ` Karl Fogel
2019-11-20 16:37           ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-11-20 17:41             ` Eli Zaretskii

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