From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen." [ Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:06:47 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20191117113054.49837.qmail@mail.muc.de> <87pnhq7mxg.fsf@gnus.org> <87bltaz9g4.fsf@telefonica.net> <834kz25qp9.fsf@gnu.org> <87y2wexsv1.fsf@telefonica.net> <20191118175639.08d02820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <874kz0pa9y.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgmjyn60.fsf@gmx.de> <87imnezyt5.fsf@gmx.de> <481a1f16-d661-0f96-2f45-3d5ec9c1132e@yandex.ru> <871ru0t7p8.fsf@gnus.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="37580"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, perry@piermont.com, michael.albinus@gmx.de, dgutov@yandex.ru, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 24 00:07:19 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iYeUp-0009cQ-3Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 00:07:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33102 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYeUn-0007Yk-AG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:07:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35498) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYeUL-0007Yc-U9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:06:51 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38187) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iYeUL-0004R2-5H; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:06:49 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iYeUJ-0005J4-Mf; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:06:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Yuri Khan on Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:58:57 +0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242665 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > So yes, it works, if the user is reasonably serious about reporting the bug. Nonetheless, your report shows that the procedure is complex. (Thanks for the detailed report.) Some people might be put off by that and might not go through with it. Can we come up with ways to simplify this in some usual cases? > To boost the user’s confidence in being able to send a bug report, it > might make sense to detect that Emacs is not configured to send mail > earlier, and, at step 1, add a clause to the help message: > - Type C-c C-c to send the bug report. > + Type C-c C-c to send the bug report. You will be asked > + to enter your mail server settings. I agree that would be good. > and offers three choices: ‘mail client’ > (default), ‘transport’, and ‘smtp’. > 4. Because I normally use Gmail via its web interface, my mail client > is _also_ unconfigured. Could we make things substantially easier by adding an option 'webmail'? It might be able to reconize various webmail sites, and DTRT for each one. Users could implement more of them. -- Dr Richard Stallman Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)