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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, p.stephani2@gmail.com, pcr910303@icloud.com,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: macOS/GCC support policy
Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2019 22:56:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1hu6gy-00004w-77@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190803111802.GB31224@breton.holly.idiocy.org> (message from Alan Third on Sat, 3 Aug 2019 12:18:02 +0100)

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  > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 12:18:02 +0100
  > From: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
  > To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
  > Subject: Re: macOS/GCC support policy
  > Message-ID: <20190803111802.GB31224@breton.holly.idiocy.org>
  > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
  > Content-Disposition: inline
  > In-Reply-To: <83k1buec7e.fsf@gnu.org>
  > Cc: p.stephani2@gmail.com, pcr910303@icloud.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org

  > On Sat, Aug 03, 2019 at 02:10:45PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
  > > > Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 12:02:56 +0100
  > > > From: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>
  > > > Cc: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>, pcr910303@icloud.com,
  > > > 	emacs-devel@gnu.org
  > > > 
  > > > On Fri, Aug 02, 2019 at 06:05:20PM +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
  > > > > 
  > > > > Why does Emacs need AppKit/AppKit.h?  If this is for some important
  > > > > functionality, and if we cannot find a compatible replacement, I guess
  > > > > the conclusion is that we cannot build Emacs on macOS with GCC due to
  > > > > the Apple system headers.
  > > > 
  > > > Appkit is, basically, the NextStep GUI toolkit, so we need it.
  > > 
  > > So basically, this means GCC cannot be currently used to compile any
  > > non-trivial NS GUI application, is that right?

  > Yes. As Philippe demonstrated GCC errors when it sees the header
  > files.

  > > Is there any ETA on GCC support for the current NS GUI?  Is anyone
  > > working on that, to the best of your knowledge?

  > As far as I’m aware nobody is working on it. Features like blocks have
  > been part of Apple’s Objective C spec for at least a decade now and I
  > don’t believe there has been any attempt to update GCC.

The basic purpose of every GNU package is to add to what the GNU
system can do.  Making a GNU program run on some other system is not a
central goal, but we encourage people to implement that if they wish.

It would be beneficial to make GCC support MacOS if it would lead
to more adoption of GCC.  Otherwise, we don't especially care.

If extensions to Objective C make that language better, it would be
good to implement them.  GNUtep doesn't use them now, but maybe it
would use them if they were available.


-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)





  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-08-04  2:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-18 19:23 [PATCH v4] Enable xwidgets on macOS Sungbin Jo
2019-07-19  4:16 ` [PATCH v5] " Sungbin Jo
2019-07-19 19:17   ` Alan Third
2019-07-19 19:25     ` Savannah down (was: [PATCH v5] Enable xwidgets on macOS) Paul Eggert
2019-07-20  8:21   ` [PATCH v5] Enable xwidgets on macOS Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-23 18:36     ` 조성빈
2019-07-25 18:51       ` 조성빈
2019-07-26  5:55         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-27  2:48           ` Richard Stallman
2019-07-27  8:38             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-27 10:41         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-27 12:35           ` 조성빈
2019-07-27 13:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-29 17:08               ` 조성빈
2019-08-03 10:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-03 10:52                   ` 조성빈
2019-07-29 20:26         ` Alan Third
2019-07-29 21:02           ` Stefan Monnier
2019-07-30 15:35             ` 조성빈
2019-07-30 19:25               ` Stefan Monnier
2019-07-31 15:52                 ` 조성빈
2019-07-30 15:33           ` 조성빈
2019-07-30 19:12             ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-31 15:55               ` 조성빈
2019-07-31 19:56             ` Alan Third
2019-08-01  2:35               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-01  4:00                 ` 조성빈
2019-08-02  0:47                   ` Richard Stallman
2019-08-02  7:02                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-03  2:23                       ` Richard Stallman
2019-08-03  6:58                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-01 21:39                 ` macOS/GCC support policy (was: [PATCH v5] Enable xwidgets on macOS) Alan Third
2019-08-02  2:22                   ` Noam Postavsky
2019-08-02  6:56                   ` macOS/GCC support policy Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-02 10:08                     ` Philipp Stephani
2019-08-02 11:51                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-02 14:55                         ` Philipp Stephani
2019-08-02 14:59                           ` Philipp Stephani
2019-08-02 15:06                             ` Philipp Stephani
2019-08-02 15:05                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-03 11:02                             ` Alan Third
2019-08-03 11:10                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-03 11:18                                 ` Alan Third
2019-08-03 11:43                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-04  2:56                                   ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2019-08-10  9:56                                     ` 조성빈
2019-08-18 15:43                                       ` Alan Third
2019-08-18 16:40                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-08-18 23:42                                         ` Richard Stallman

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